Jan. 20, 2025

Tim Hassett-Salley, 2x Award-winning author of ‘Strike Two, You're Out’ and ‘Samsara Interrupted'

Tim Hassett-Salley, 2x Award-winning author of ‘Strike Two, You're Out’ and ‘Samsara Interrupted'

Tim Hassett-Salley, 2x Award-winning author of ‘Strike Two, You're Out’ and ‘Samsara Interrupted’, talks about his professional career and his writing career.

Tim earned his BA in Psychology and Music from Providence College, and his graduate degrees...

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Tim Hassett-Salley, 2x Award-winning author of ‘Strike Two, You're Out’ and ‘Samsara Interrupted’, talks about his professional career and his writing career.

Tim earned his BA in Psychology and Music from Providence College, and his graduate degrees in Counseling from Bridgewater State University. For many years he maintained a private psychotherapy practice.

After publishing his first novel, Strike Two, You're Out, Tim received the 2020 Dr. Adrian Tinsley Award for Achievement in the Arts.

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Churchill said, those who fail to learn from history are

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Thanks everybody for joining in today. I am Kevin Hallanan

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The list goes on the mission of winning business radio

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and TV, as regular viewers and listeners know, is to

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offer insights and advice to help people avoid the mistakes

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of others, right to learn best practices. Those are the

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I like to say, the how tos, the what tos,

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the what not tos, to be challenged and hopefully to

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be inspired by the successes of others. Consultants, coaches, advisors, authors,

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founders and olders, owners excuse me, entrepreneurs, people with expertise.

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But of course, virtually every successful person I've ever had

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a chance to talk to has said some form of

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failure in their lives, career lives, and careers, some small,

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some larger. So listen. While we all have to get

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our skin once in a while, every week, I say,

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I'm driven to keep those scrapes from needing major surgery.

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Let's endeavor to learn from history so we don't repeat it.

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I've spent a better part of my career equipping businesses

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to grow from solopreneurs to small and medium sized companies

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all the way to the fortune fifty. I've seen some

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of those companies win, and to varying degrees, I've seen

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some fail I've had the opportunity to rub elbows with

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some of the highest performing people around in some probably

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should have found other professions. In my own businesses, I've

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had lots of lots of success, but we're some failures too,

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and I like to think I've learned a lot from

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those experiences. So, yeah, you're going to hear from me

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my opinions and insights, because anybody who knows me, right, Tim,

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we'll tell you I have a hard time staying quiet.

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But more importantly, together we'll hear from experts, those consultants, coaches, advisors, authors,

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founders and owners and entrepreneurs. Today, my guest is Tim

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Hassett Sally. Old friend. Tim Hassett Sally two time award

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winning author of Strike, two Year Out and Samsara Interrupted.

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Here's his bio. Tim Hassett Sally was born in nineteen

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sixty in rural northeastern Connecticut. He received his BA in

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psychology and music from Providence College and earned his graduate

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degrees in counseling from Bridgewater State University. For many years,

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he maintained a private psychotherapy practice counseling violent, excuse me,

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violent and Abusive Men. After publishing his first novel, Strike

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two Year Out, Tim received the twenty twenty Doctor Adrian

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Tinsley Award for Achievement in the Arts. His second novel,

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Samsara Interrupted, was published in twenty twenty four. Both novels

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have received many excellent reviews. Tim is married and has

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three adult children and three grandchildren. Hear about them. He's

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a sprint triathlete, an avid tennis player and plays the

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drums in his spare time. He's an underachiever. Tim is

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currently the director of Revenue Development at the Workers Compensation

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Research Institute. He's held leadership positions for over thirty five

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years within the workers' compensation and disability management industry. In addition,

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Tim was an adjunct faculty member of the Counseling Department

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of the Graduate School of Education at Bridgewater State University.

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Tim has presented it in many conferences and institutions, including

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National comp International Claim Association, ARKANSAW. I can say that

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Arkansaw Self Insurance Association, New England Claim Association. The list

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goes on several colleges and universities. Tim welcome to Winning

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Business Radio.

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Thank you very much. Kevin, glad to be here.

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I'm glad you are, and I appreciate I know how

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busy you are. I appreciate you taking the time. So

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we're going to talk a bit about business, and we're

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certainly going to talk about your books a lot. But first,

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tell us about your family.

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Well, they're all growing, with the ones that are growing

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the most right now with the grandkids.

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Everybody else is stable but great.

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I get three great adult children and they're all found

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wonderful partners in life and three growing grandkids.

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Nice.

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Nice, does your wife work or had a career of

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what does she do?

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Or she's a retired French teacher? Oh wow, Iol retired

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as soon as the first grand son was born.

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Nice. She's not really tired then, right, she's.

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Been she shifted. Yeah.

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So you grew up in rural, as you like to say,

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rural northeastern Connecticut. Tell us the town and what it

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was like to grow up there.

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So I grew up in a town called Ellington, Connecticut,

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and you know, it was mostly cows and tobacco.

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Uh and uh.

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I just had the opportunity to drive through there about

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a month ago, and I was just shocked at how

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much development there was, and so many. Growing up you

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could see corn forever and ever and ever, corn corn,

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corn cows. And then I actually picked tobacco as a teenager.

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And you know, I think most of that has gone now.

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Yeah, I was gonna ask, Yeah, most of that's in

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the Carolina's it's that's still a shrinking business, but it's interesting.

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One of the good to Great companies in Jim Collins

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book To Great was a tobacco company. Believe it or not.

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Yeah, we we were into Connecticut broadly cigar tobacco. We

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the rappers that are still used today, the Connecticut seed.

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If you get a real good quality cigar, you might

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see it as Connecticut rapper or Connecticut seed.

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So it was. It was quite a business. It's a

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terrible job to have.

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It's one of those jobs you have when you're before

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you go off to college and you remind you that

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you really want.

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To be in don't want to do that? Yeah, mine.

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Mine was working in a meat room in a grocery store,

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a family run, two location grocery store. And it was

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dirty and gross. You went home smelling all day.

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All the time, and the dogs follow you home.

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They I didn't have that happen, but I was surprised

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it never did. What were your early interests.

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Uh, I would say baseball and uh riding bikes and fishing.

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I mean it was in that regard.

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That was a great place to grow up because we

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did plenty of all of that. And uh, you know,

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I had a lot of kids in the family, and

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so we were not inside the house very mud.

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We were out.

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If we were in the house, my mother always said,

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I'll find something for you to do.

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It wasn't what you'd want to do.

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My mother would always say. And I heard a comedian

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talking about it, Get out of the house, go outside.

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That doesn't happen as much anymore. And when did you

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get into music and start playing the drums?

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So I started playing drums when I was ten years old,

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and I graduated from hitting the pots and pans and

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my metal lunch bus nice my father showed up with

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a nineteen thirties vintage drum set, a big band type

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of drum set, and I took private lessons after that,

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and I drummed all through high school and college and

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even right up until the pandemic. I was playing in

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a band.

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That's awesome. That's awesome. You may know. For full disclosure,

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Tim and I have known each other for twenty years.

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Of twenty something years. We used to hang out in

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the same networking organizations and we did a little work together.

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So I played trumpet. If you may recall, I was

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telling people today watching the inauguration a little bit that

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I marched in Reagan's eighty one parade because I was

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at the UMSS. I was at UMass in the mini

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man marching mad. So that was cold, but a ton

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of ton of fun. Pretty pretty historic. Yeah, do you

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play other instruments?

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Well, I was a music major, so you know, I

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had to learn piano. I'm a terrible piano player, but

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I play a little flute and I play some guitar

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as well.

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Nice. So you're you're the guy they went in the band.

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They won't give me a microphone. They don't want me

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to sink, so I'll just I'll just sit in the

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back and play the drums.

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So what made you decide to go to Providence College

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and to major in psychology?

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Well, the major in psychology part for me. If you

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remember Bob Newhart in his first I Do I Do

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Love that show, I loved it too. He was he

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was a funny psychologist and it seemed like he was

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having a great time.

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And I said, that's what comedy routines is. He's one

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of my favorites because he would do that one side converse,

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which was part of different bits that he would do,

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but he would do it perfectly.

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Sorry, that was so that was kind of what first

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got me interested in psychology. And Providence College was one

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of these situations where when I was about junior high

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maybe just going into freshman year, Province College basketball was

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really big and Erdi Gregorio was there. They went to

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the final four, and that really put him on the

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map for me. And I had one really good teacher

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in high school who had gone to Providence, and you know,

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I think that impacted me that, you know, smart people

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could go there and maybe you.

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Come out smart. I don't know. I just but they

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accepted me, and so I said, let's go.

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Yeah, that's what it was for me, and you mass,

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they took me in. Let's go. So I want to

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ask about this because it must have been. As I

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hear it, it sounds like it was very challenging that

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you had a private practice specializing in violent and abuse

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of men. How to end were probably referred to you

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by I don't know, I'm just envisioning courts or family

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or somebody, right.

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Sure, sure, So a lot of a lot of them

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were referred by the courts, by probation officers. Also, some

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were referred by the women's center. I was the only

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male employee for a while at the Celshore Women's Center,

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and so I would get the abusive spouse of someone

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who might have been in the Women's Center seeking treatment

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as a victim, and it was a it's a heavy subject,

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and it's you know, I think that's something that when

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you're talking to you aspiring therapists really talk to them

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about how to you know, compartmentalize your your emotions from theirs.

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And my professors used to say, it's not your problem,

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it's their problem. You're just there to help them with

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their problem. But it is difficult to make that transition

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from talking about some really really heavy things and then

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literally fifteen minutes later have to be in your house

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being a husband and a father. So I think the

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danger is is when you compartmentalize that and keep the

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emotion the terrible emotions that you just heard, the terrible

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circumstances to keep that out of your head. You're also

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at the same time risking keeping your own emotions dampened.

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And I think it takes.

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with your emotions, especially as a man, and to have

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a normal life while you just listen to some really

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terrible stuff.

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I've always shoard that most therapists have a therapist. Is

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that the case?

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So I normally ask what your most important lesson learned,

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and you just explained it, you know, a couple minutes ago.

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So thanks for that. And then you've spent many years

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in business development, particularly in and around insurance and the

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social security niche how did that come about, because it's

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been mental welly something year.

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a vocational counselor in the business and working with people

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who were out of work and wanting to get back

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to work and that kind of you know. We it

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was at a time when in the industry when there

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weren't that many referrals to vocational rehab and I complained

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about it not having enough work, and you know, we

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were on a billable hour type of thing. I wasn't

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getting enough work, and they basically said, do you think

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you can do better? You get into business development. So yeah,

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that was about thirty five years ago. I got into

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the business development side of it, and I think the

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having had the background in psychology has really helped me

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as a salesperson.

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I really think there's.

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I do as well, and you and I have talked

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about the Sandler selling methodology. That's the world I come

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from and you're familiar with, and a lot of it

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is psychologically based, just anticipating reactions and kind of appealing

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to some of that in a healthy way. What are

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some of the most important lessons you've learned in business

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development and in development? By the way, explain the difference

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to the audience between business development and in a nonprofit

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world development.

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in a nonprofit nonprofit is just a business classification.

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You still need to make money. We still have at

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the institute.

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you know, we need to have funding to pay for

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all of them so they can do the great work

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What's personally rewarding is that I'm no longer doing direct

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care with people in need, but I am providing funding

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to a group of people who each of them are

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making money and bringing at home and able to feed

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their families.

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So I've get funding from state governments and large insurance

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companies and they provide us some you know, it's based

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on the size of the insurance company, but some bigger

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to take on the research projects that we do, and

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we're really providing a public service, if you will, because

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it's our work is available to not just the people

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who are paying for it through funding us, but also

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on of that hock basis as they as they pay

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for what they need as they go along.

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Got it, Got it all right? Welcome back, and just

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mind to help you succeed in business. Here once again

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is Kevin Hellenett.

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Welcome back today. My guest is Tim Hassett Sally, two

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time award winning author of Strike two. You're Out and

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Sam Sara interrupted Tim. Before we get to the books,

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I want to ask you about your athletics, your triathlete.

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How did you get into that? Well, I've fired before,

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that's not for the faint of heart, right.

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Well, I do what's called a sprint triathlon, which is

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a shorter distance and it's the you know, swimming, biking

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and running. But I was getting bored with just running.

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I'd been a longtime runner, and I was also racking

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up not only a lot of miles, I was racking

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ap lot of injuries. And the triathlon allows you to

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really cross train and do different things, and you know,

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injure yourself in a different ways.

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The battle scars, right, you can show us. That's when

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I got in this one.

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Yeah, I'm sorry when when when you as you get older,

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there's fewer and fewer people in your age group that

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are doing it. But the people that are doing it

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are very competitive. So it's I'm not winning any awards,

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but it's still great to go out there and do

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something healthy and I feel like I'm competing against some

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really talented people.

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Funny, during COVID, I did a virtual five k, which

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means you run a five k, take a picture of

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your watch at the completion. It's an honor system, and

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I came in first in my age class. Turned out

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I was the only one in my.

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Age That's okay, that's that's a that's a side note.

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That's right. I actually was pretty proud of myself. I

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did well for me, Tim, I neglected to ask you earlier.

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You'll notice it as we're talking at some point to

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put your website for the book books rather uh, and

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any contact info like an email address you may want

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to put put in the chat and want to put

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in the crawl. Okay, So I want to get back

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to the tie in. You know, when we were starting

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we you said that psychology is the sort of string

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that brings your counseling background, the business development work that

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you do, and the books together. Talk about that, and

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then I want to talk about how you became an author,

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when you realized you wanted to be an author, et cetera.

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That's a great question.

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And I remember when I had my private practice, and

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this goes back several years, many years now, and I thought,

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I got to write this stuff down.

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I've got to I've got to write a book.

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And but the the individual people you know, for not

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not only for ethical reasons, but it wouldn't make a

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great book just talking about ky studies. So what I

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did is I wrote a story about people, and I

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in the first which is strike too, You're out here.

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It is strike too, You're out that. Yeah, there you go,

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you get a nice copy there.

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The main character in that becomes after college, it becomes

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a psychotherapist, psychologist, and so I was able to channel

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a lot of these stories through his clients. But there

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was no one, uh person, no one character in the

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book who represented one actual person. It's a real composite,

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as I did with all my characters. They don't represent

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any one particular person. But it was a way to

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kind of weave them in and show that real people

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have real problems. And I was able to, you know,

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express a lot of these a lot of some of

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them were very serious. But for the most part, a

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lot of people's issues are mundane to the rest of us,

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but they're important to the person who's going through it.

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When did you know, actually, when did you start writing that?

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but it took me six years to write twenty thirteen.

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started writing these things down. And my process was to

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walk the dogs in the morning and through the woods

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and come up with.

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And I did a lot of traveling in those years,

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pre pandemic and I would get onto a plane. Instead

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of watching the TV and the seat back in front

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of me, I would take out a pad and I

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would just write and write, write the next thing I

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know it. We were planning at the destination, and very

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often that night I would take out my laptop and

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type up what I had written and get my first edit.

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after a while get an editor? Who did you editing?

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she also had taught at the college level and taught

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English and that sort of thing, and felt with her

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literary background, she would really be good. So she did

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my first read and edit, which was, you know, the

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things in that book, it's not a happy book for

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her to read some of them. I give her a

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lot of credit for being able to read it and

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be critical as far as what I was writing.

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Had she not heard a lot of probably many of

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those stories before.

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Right, Because of the nature of the business, you can't

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share that you know any particular stories about a particular person.

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But as a composite character and embellishing it, you know,

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that's the author's privilege to embellish, you know, then it

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was really the first time that she'd heard some of

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those stories, and I think to think that I was

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the one going through some of that was upsetting to her.

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I'm not surprised. I don't blame her. So when did

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you started writing? Did you know you wanted to be

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it to become a novel? Did you know you wanted

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to become a novelist? And then talk about also the

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process of getting it published.

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Okay, so I didn't know.

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If I don't consider myself a writer, certainly didn't at

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that time, and I didn't know what it could become.

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I started writing it as a scene act one, scene one,

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as if it were a play or stage production or

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something like that, and I think it would lend itself

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to that.

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But as I kept going on and on.

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And creating new scenarios and new periods in the main

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character's life, it was getting onto number of pages. It's

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about three hundred and sixty pages or so, and so

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there was something, there was enough substance. The process of

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getting it published, I went through into an independent publishing process,

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which is KDP Kindle Direct Publishing. That's an Amazon product

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they had taken over. I can't even remember the name

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that it had before that. And I also sought the

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guidance in association through the Independent Publishers of New England,

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the I p n E. A lot of great people

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there and a lot of very helpful pointers from people

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who've done this many times.

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So tell us tell the audiences, listeners and viewers about

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Joe Davis.

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So, Joe Davis is a guy that does a lot

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of bad things in his life, but I think you

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still root for him some of the things that happened

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to him.

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By the way, main character of stricture you're out man.

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Main main character he he gets to himself into some

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trouble as a young teenager, and one of the ways

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out of his trouble is to volunteer for Vietnam or

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volunteer for the Marine Corps.

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It just happened to be at the tail end of

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the Vietnam War.

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So some of the problems he brought on himself, and

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then the issues of going to Vietnam and witnessing what

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he did was thrust upon him. And he's someone that

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didn't do well resolving one issue before he got involved

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in the next issue. So the one issue beget another issue,

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and then another, and they never got resolved. He kept

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plowing through life, and I think even though he does

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some dastardly things, still rooting for him in a way,

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you just you want to get You want him to

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redeem himself. And I think that's what it is. And

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the title has nothing to do with baseball. Strike too,

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You're out. It's really has to do with life. Isn't

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necessarily fair. You don't always get three swings at the

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at bat. You might get called out after you've had

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two shots at it. And I think that's what the

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theme through it is.

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Is that.

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You really should take care of your issues while you're

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here and you get a chance to do it, and

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00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:12.359
don't be thinking always how can I get away with

471
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:14.079
this until the next thing, till the next thing?

472
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:16.759
Who's the book intended for?

473
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:19.599
Definitely an adult audience.

474
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:25.079
It's got some graphic content, it's got some graphic language,

475
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:28.680
but it's intended for anyone who likes to read and

476
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:32.279
who might not require a happy ending.

477
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:35.400
So Joe doesn't have a happy I know I was

478
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:36.880
going to mention that, I don't know if you would

479
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.400
or not, but Joe does not have that happy of

480
00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:42.880
an ending. No, we won't say what the ending is

481
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:43.640
thank you.

482
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:49.119
Yeah, it's funny, it's not. The book is not wasn't

483
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:52.839
loved by everyone. In fact, this summer, my dad who

484
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.880
actually just passed away a couple of months ago, but

485
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:59.319
he was really with it right up until the end

486
00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:01.680
and to ninety eight years old. And this the summer

487
00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:04.200
he called me and he said he was so excited.

488
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:07.920
He said, hey, I finished reading your new book, Sam Sora.

489
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.160
I interrupted, I said, oh, what did you think of it?

490
00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:15.480
He says, well, it wasn't as bad as the first one.

491
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:16.359
Thanks Bob.

492
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:22.119
Yeah, so he someone who uses clean language, used clean

493
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.920
language all the time, and this strike too, You're Out,

494
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.400
has the liberal use of the F word. And it's

495
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.640
just the way that the character spoke. I don't necessarily

496
00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:34.000
talk like that all the time, but.

497
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.000
No, I don't know. You did talk that way.

498
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:39.920
Yeah, I felt like the character did, and it didn't.

499
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:44.319
It wasn't gratuitous. It was just part of the character's life.

500
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:47.200
And I think for someone who'd prefer not to see that,

501
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.359
this might not be the book for them.

502
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:51.559
And where's the book available?

503
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.279
So it's available on Amazon. I think it's on Walmart

504
00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:58.599
dot com as well. The first one. Anyways, strike to

505
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:04.039
You're Out. Our interrupted is only available through Amazon. I

506
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:08.359
had I had both books available at different bookstores, but

507
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:12.839
unfortunately bookstores are a tough business, and our local bookstore

508
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:17.279
here in Plymouth, mass has recently gone out of business.

509
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:21.559
Thanks. Yeah, that really does think I listen. I'm an

510
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:24.279
Amazon fan, as I think most people are, whether it's

511
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:28.359
fan or a user. Uh, but it's it was really cool.

512
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:30.440
It's really cool to go into a bookstore and browse

513
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.160
and sit and read and flip pages. Yeah.

514
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:37.319
I've made it available at several libraries too, but it's

515
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:39.160
it's a thrill to just you know, it's an ego

516
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:40.960
books to go into a library.

517
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:43.440
And see your own book there. So it's kind of

518
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:43.920
a whot.

519
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.880
Have you done any promotion? Have you done any speaking

520
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.160
readings or speaking or book events.

521
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:54.519
I've done some when especially when the bookstore downtown was open,

522
00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:56.400
we did a reading down there and you know, a

523
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.960
signing ceremony and that was really nice. I've also done

524
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:05.799
some book groups and where book clubs people will buy

525
00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:09.720
the book, and now we were doing them virtually, so

526
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:12.599
people will buy the book once they've all read it,

527
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.759
and then we schedule a zoom call and uh, I'll

528
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.160
go in and we can. I can do readings and

529
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.079
and talk about the book, and they asked me a

530
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:23.680
lot of questions. I've also I've also went back to

531
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:27.759
my alma mater, Providence College, and spoke to the fiction

532
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:32.160
writers seminar class and did a couple of readings for

533
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:37.000
them and you know, answered their questions about the writing process.

534
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.960
And again, I never felt like I'm a writer.

535
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:43.759
You know, when I read books, I read really good books,

536
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:51.400
and I'm not I'm not hemingway okay, but uh yeah, yes,

537
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:56.039
not not even that well. But apparently enough people like

538
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.000
the book. Uh you know, I found a lot of

539
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.759
great got a lot of great reviews from it, and

540
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:04.599
so people do enjoy it. And I think the one

541
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.640
things one person said to me that really stuck with me.

542
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.960
We were playing in the band and I was promoting

543
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:18.920
the book. The first one in that book, in Strike

544
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:23.359
two You're Out, I had to write a song as

545
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:26.720
a poem in the book, and then I said it

546
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.480
to music and we played that in our band. So

547
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:31.119
that kind of gave me excuse to sell the books.

548
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:33.599
But someone came up to me and afterwards said, hey,

549
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.960
I read your book. And he said it really wanted

550
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:38.960
to meet him. It really made me want to be

551
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:41.839
a better person. Wow, that really floored me because I

552
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.440
had no intention of you know, that was not my

553
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.079
goal and it was just really so gratifying.

554
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.599
So it's also award winning. Tell me about that process.

555
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.759
Did you submit, did it come up or did you

556
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.519
submit for an award? And how does that work?

557
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:59.599
So it's really my work, you know, throughout my career

558
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.720
the arts. You know, this was for the doctor Adrian

559
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:08.599
Tinsley ward Is through the Bridgewater State University Alumni Association

560
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.720
and every couple of years they award someone who's had

561
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:16.359
achievements in the arts. And the first book was really

562
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:18.960
kind of a culmination of all that. I mean, I

563
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.400
had to write a song in the book. I had

564
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.119
to write the book, and then we performed the song

565
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:28.119
in my band, and you know, I think it was

566
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:31.200
just seeing that I through my involvement with the arts

567
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.880
through my career, that this was kind of the you know,

568
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:38.640
the capstone, and so I was recognized for that.

569
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:39.279
That's very cool.

570
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:40.119
Yeah, that's very cool.

571
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.799
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591
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592
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.599
So we're back with Tim Hasset Sally. He's two time

593
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.799
award winning author of Strike to You're Out and Sam

594
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.359
Sorrow Interrupted, which we'll get to in just a moment.

595
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:07.640
Here.

596
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.279
He also happens to be the director of revenue Development

597
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.759
at WCRI, that's Workers Compensation Research Institute. So tell us

598
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.279
now about samsaraw interrupted and start with who is Samsara?

599
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:27.599
So Samsara is the Buddhist notion of reincarnation, of birth,

600
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.039
death and then rebirth.

601
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:31.119
And so.

602
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:35.759
This book is really about the afterlife, if you will.

603
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.079
But it's a novel. I wrote a story around it,

604
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:41.480
and I don't want to give away too much, except

605
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.400
I will say that the main character is in a

606
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:50.839
horrendous automobile accident, Peter Dunn, Peter Dunn, and he wakes up,

607
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.039
if you will, and wonders if he's in heaven, if

608
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:57.480
he's in hell, or slowly came to him that he

609
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:02.880
might have been reincarnated. And so it's I think it's

610
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.519
a notion that's fascinating to people. I think I've talked

611
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:08.480
to other people who had this. You wonder what happens

612
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.160
to us after we die? Of obviously most people think

613
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:14.400
of that. And I kind of looked at the Judeo

614
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:19.759
Christian tradition of the afterlife and kind of compared that

615
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:25.880
to the Buddhist notion of reincarnation and I had the

616
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.880
main character, Peter Dunn, kind of hedges bets because he

617
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.759
wasn't sure where he was, yes in case, yes, in case,

618
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:36.480
and he was like he had to go back and

619
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.480
live life again as a teenager.

620
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.599
So in a way, that was kind of like hell.

621
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.920
But you know, it's funny that there'd be some things

622
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.079
I'd enjoy, some things I definitely wouldn't enjoy to do

623
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:47.799
over again.

624
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:49.160
Exactly exactly.

625
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.200
And I think that's something that most adults, and I'll

626
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:56.720
speak as an adult male, we all have this fantasy

627
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.039
or what would it be like to go back and

628
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:01.079
to be young again, but.

629
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:06.079
To have the wisdom knowledge of the like Bob Seeger.

630
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:09.320
Says, you know, the life of young man with the

631
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.840
wisdom of an old man, and what would that be like?

632
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.440
And so I've kind of played that fantasy out and

633
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.079
you know, really talked about some life lessons in in

634
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:25.159
that process. And it's it's a messy, complicated life, but

635
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.000
a believable life that that the main character had.

636
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.199
And you know how it ends.

637
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.280
I think most people have really enjoyed the ending, but

638
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:35.320
they didn't see it coming.

639
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:42.039
And yes, so I enjoy that it was the way

640
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.280
I hope so it was kind of a double twist

641
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:46.599
at the end.

642
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:51.199
So the it was that was a lot of fun

643
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:52.880
to write that book.

644
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.280
There was less of me in that book than there

645
00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:01.280
was in the first novel, but you know, it's I got.

646
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:05.800
I did set it back in Great Marx, Connecticut, which

647
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.719
is the old original name of Ellington, Connecticut. So people

648
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:14.079
who know me and from growing up who bought the

649
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:15.920
book enjoyed the local references.

650
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.840
Cool. And where did the idea come from? And what

651
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:22.280
was the process? I'm I I could be wrong. I'm

652
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.360
guessing this was a shorter than six year process.

653
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:27.039
Not much.

654
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:28.880
It was took me four and a four and a

655
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.159
half years to write this the idea. I actually had

656
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.719
this idea before I had to strike to You're Out.

657
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.480
The strike to You're Out was more emotional for me,

658
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.079
and I felt like I had to get it out.

659
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:43.639
But I think, I mean, my whole life, you wonder

660
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:45.360
about the afterlife.

661
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:47.800
And if you you say.

662
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.280
In the beginning, you grew up in the Roman Catholic tradition, tradition,

663
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:56.280
and you've you've learned about other other religions or worldviews.

664
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:00.280
Yes, you're right, and I've studied various religions and and

665
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.920
for this book in particular, I had to do considerable

666
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.400
research into Buddhism, which was not my culture. So I

667
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.360
wanted to use the aspects of it, especially as Americans

668
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:16.119
understand Buddhism, which is not in its pure form. But

669
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.400
I wanted to do it without cultural, you know, appropriation.

670
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.639
I wanted to do it as as an American would

671
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.679
kind of take on a different religion that they weren't

672
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.519
familiar with. And so I think I think I did

673
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:37.440
it in a respectful way. But also I don't think

674
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:41.480
I answered any major questions that people have. You're left

675
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.880
with as many questions at the end of the book

676
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.920
as you as you started with, except I think I

677
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.119
pretty much put put the rest that notion that going

678
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:52.320
back in time might be fun.

679
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.440
I think it wouldn't be as much fun as we

680
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:56.559
fantasize it to be.

681
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.920
So I'm really curious about the cover fow which you took, Yes,

682
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:04.880
really well done. Where did you find that image?

683
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.400
And I found that in my front flower bed.

684
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:08.039
Uh.

685
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.519
The Buddha statue had been up on a pedestal and

686
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:18.599
it just you can tell it deteriorated over time. It

687
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:20.400
fell off and it was just laying in a bed

688
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.960
of leaves and I yeah, and I just happened to

689
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.039
see it. And that angle of the of the picture

690
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.599
was the exact angle of me just standing over it

691
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.480
looking down at it. My son is a graphic artist

692
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.599
and he designed the cover based on that photograph and

693
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.800
I was really thrilled with the work he did in that.

694
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:44.880
And I'll shout out to my daughter in law, Bridget Griffin,

695
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.119
who did the first strike to your oute.

696
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.360
That's original to ask I forgot, Yeah, that's.

697
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:50.639
Original artwork that she did.

698
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.320
I had given her a stick figure representation of what

699
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.920
I wanted to see and she came up with that

700
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:58.840
in the color scheme and it was I was just

701
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:00.800
thrilled with the word she did.

702
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:09.599
That's awesome, it's really good. What part did your psychological background,

703
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:13.440
your therapy background play in the second book, if any.

704
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:14.840
Only a little?

705
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:19.320
The main character Peter Dunn and his wife before the

706
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:21.679
terrible accident. You know, he'd been married for a number

707
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.639
of years and they had some real life struggles that

708
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:30.000
they had gone through, and therapy was one of the

709
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.559
vehicles that his wife had.

710
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:33.760
His wife was may.

711
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:40.320
What she had gone through to try to overcome the

712
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:44.840
problems that they'd had earlier in their life. But otherwise,

713
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:51.079
I think my personal psychology training gave me insights into

714
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.519
their personalities. But I didn't come out I didn't do

715
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it so directly as I did in the first book,

716
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where with making the character cologist.

717
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And was there a particular audience you had in mind

718
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for sorry interrupted.

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Anyone who's still alive or maybe having been reincarnated, I

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think will be enjoying the book.

721
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.360
Nice. Nice? Uh?

722
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.800
Future future plans for additional books.

723
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:25.039
Well, I just started writing what I think will be

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00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.840
another book because it's it's mostly up here and I

725
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had but uh, I think there will be some substance there.

726
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.960
And this is another kind of what if book. What

727
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:40.880
if my life had taken a different direction, What if

728
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:42.960
I had made different choices earlier on?

729
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:44.599
Where would that have led out to?

730
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.800
Yeah? Uh, Strike to your Oute was definitely definitely a

731
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:55.320
what if book. You know, there's uh just right off

732
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.440
the bed. I'll give away one thing and strike to uh.

733
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:02.920
His troubles began at the tobacco farm when he was

734
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.960
picking tobacco and a migrant worker had stolen his lunch

735
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the first day he showed up on the job. In

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real life that happened to me, and I went to

737
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.880
confront the worker and he was up an a tractor

738
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.400
and he just pulled out a big long knife, which

739
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:21.119
was my signal to back off. And it was also

740
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:23.760
my signal to never again bring my lunch to work.

741
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.519
It was just going to get stolen. So in the book,

742
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:32.079
I have him bring a lunch the second day as well,

743
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.400
and he leaves it in the same spot as where

744
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.159
it had gotten stolen the first day. But on the

745
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:41.719
second day he put broken glass and ground up free

746
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:45.920
doos inside of his sandwich so that when whoever stole

747
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.480
his sandwich were to eat it, we're going to get

748
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:53.280
severely injured. And that's exactly what happened, and that's where

749
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.000
he faced charges and was given the option of going

750
00:40:56.039 --> 00:41:00.320
to juvenile detention or going to the Marine Corps.

751
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:05.960
Wow. Okay, so you said the second book, First Books

752
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.280
available on both around Amazon. First Books.

753
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.840
On last I checked, it was still on Walmart dot

754
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:16.480
com as well, but both are available on Amazon. I

755
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:20.280
did leave my I have a website that I put

756
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:24.199
in the chat for you during the break and yeah.

757
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:25.920
It's gone across the kral a couple of times. Already

758
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:29.679
it's oh Kim, Tim Hassett Sally, that's Tim. Well there

759
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.719
it is right there, thanks one. So everyone should go

760
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:35.480
to that website, Tim Hassett Dash Sally with an E

761
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.599
y two s's and two t's and hass it and

762
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.400
you will find some good information there. You'll get to

763
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.519
know Tim a little bit more. You'll find the books,

764
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.480
but you can find them on Amazon. All right, here's

765
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:49.360
the question I like to end with. Who in the

766
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.960
listening and viewing audiences should reach out to you and why?

767
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:59.280
Well, I'd be happy to talk to anyone who's read

768
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.960
the book if they you want to think it's more insights.

769
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.519
But as far as you know, as far as my career,

770
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.639
I'm at the point of my career where I'm giving

771
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:12.559
back nice yep and and uh, you know, younger people

772
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:16.400
who are getting into development or sales, especially in my industry,

773
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:17.280
I'm happy to talk to.

774
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:19.679
I'm always glad to network.

775
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:23.760
Networking is probably the single most important thing you can do, uh,

776
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.840
and you're in to succeed, and so I'm always happy

777
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:30.079
to do that. And if anyone had questions about the

778
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:33.119
work we're doing at the w c RI, I I'm

779
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:35.760
always happy to talk to them about that and see

780
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.920
if there's a good fit between between our purposes.

781
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.280
Would you might be available, Would you be interested maybe

782
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.960
in speaking about the book or the writing process. I

783
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.920
know you speak a lot in your industry. What are

784
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:51.000
some of the topics that you might talk about in

785
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.280
terms of the book uh side, and then maybe some

786
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:56.840
of the professional side. Probably everybody in that industry knows

787
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:58.679
you already, but who knows.

788
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.119
So on the on the professionals, we really talk about

789
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:03.440
the types of research that we do and we do.

790
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.119
We publish around forty reports a year, which is for

791
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.119
the size of our staff, which is a remarkable accomplishment,

792
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.880
but it's very well known. We are, you know, the

793
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:18.239
really the organization in the industry that does that type

794
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.960
of work. As far as the books, I'm just happy

795
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:25.480
to talk to people to do a reading for a group,

796
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:30.559
to do a signing, or to do to do a

797
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:34.239
book club. And that's That's been a lot of fun,

798
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.840
whether it's in person or I've been able to do

799
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:41.760
it through Zoom throughout the pandemic with people from all

800
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:42.519
over the country.

801
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.480
Yeah, that's pretty cool, Zoom. The good news of the

802
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.760
pandemic was it opened up a lot of those relationships

803
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:51.159
cross country, which you know, it's a good thing, that's

804
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.199
the only good thing. But sure, I did notice. I

805
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.400
meant to ask you. You did two stints at the current

806
00:43:56.440 --> 00:44:00.480
company you a while back, and somebody you enough to

807
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:01.000
bring you back.

808
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:05.079
I guess, well, I think that's true, Kevin, and I

809
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:09.360
actually left there in twenty twenty during the pandemic. Yeah,

810
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.800
and I was laid off. I don't think there's any

811
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:14.719
secret there. And I was gone for almost three years,

812
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.960
and about a year and a half, well almost two

813
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.000
years ago, they brought me back.

814
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.639
I'm thrilled to be back. It's a great organization.

815
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:26.960
I'm not planning to end my career any day soon,

816
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:28.840
but it is the kind of place I'd love to

817
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:30.159
finish my career.

818
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.760
That's awesome. Love to hear that. And the best way

819
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:34.320
again for people to get in touch with those on

820
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.199
the radio, it's Tim Hassett Sally T I M h

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00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.360
A S S E T T DASH s A L

822
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.280
L E Y dot com. Timhassett Sally dot com. Tim,

823
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.480
thank you so much for spending some time with us.

824
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:49.559
My guess is the audience has enjoyed it. I certainly

825
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.639
did it's good to reconnect. Oh, I will say this

826
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:55.639
before we end. We've known each other for a long time,

827
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.360
but we had this chance meeting which was fun and

828
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.880
just unexpected, and you gave me the first book signed

829
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:03.760
during the flight. We were on a flight together coming

830
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:07.800
back from Orlando several months ago, you know, I think

831
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:11.920
it's probably now six ish months ago, so random. Yeah,

832
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:13.719
I know, we both them in Boston, but for us

833
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.719
to be on the same play in the same city

834
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:17.920
coming home from the same city, pretty funny.

835
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:21.840
One of those chance meetings that's really fun, and.

836
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.280
That ended up us going back and forth a little

837
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:26.639
bit and picking the right date for you to be

838
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:28.360
on the air. So I appreciate it.

839
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.960
Great catching up with you, Kevin, and I appreciate you

840
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:32.119
having me on the program.

841
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:35.639
My pleasure, and thanks everybody for watching and listening listening.

842
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This is the show about business, often business challenges. But

843
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844
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.920
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845
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:48.079
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846
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:51.320
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847
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848
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:57.719
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849
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:01.239
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852
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.480
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853
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for everybody, but maybe we should have a conversation. Thank

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you to producer and engineer one. Thank you John One

855
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for another job well done. Really appreciate it. Be shared

856
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to join us next week, everybody, Monday, January twenty seventh,

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We'll do it all over again. Until then, this is

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Kevin helen In.

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00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.800
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