John Houle, business owner and author of ‘The Siberian Candidate’ and ‘The King-Maker of Providence'

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W FOURCY Radio. Churchill said,
those who failed to learn from history are

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condemned to repeat it. Kevin helen
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of, So it's out there.
It's around everywhere you listen. The mission

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of this show winning business radio and
TV, as regular listeners and viewers know,

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the what not tos, to be
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by the successes of others. But
you know, virtually every successful person I've

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ever had a chance to talk to
has had some form of failure in their

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lives and careers. So listen,
you heard. Every week, while we

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have to get our we all have
to get our knees skinned once in a

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while, I'm driven to keep those
scrapes from needing major surgery. Let's endeavor

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to learn from history so we don't
repeated today. My guest is John Hoole,

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author of The Siberian Candidate and The
King Maker of Providence, as well

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as the owner of John Hoole Communications
and Main Street Media and Providence, Rhode

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Island. Here's John's bio. John
Hoole founded JAH Communications in two thousand and

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two after working as a political consultant. He rebranded the agency as main Street

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Media in twenty twenty two to reflect
the agency's new mission to deliver Madison Avenue

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marketing to main street businesses. While
JAH Communications continues to serve as a public

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relations company, John has successfully managed
numerous private and public sector campaigns, representing

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hundreds of clients across a wide spectrum
of industries. Specializing in communications, John

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has worked closely with organizations direct their
marketing to Direct Gives me their marketing initiatives.

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Over the past twenty years, he
has managed the marketing programs for numerous

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insurance agencies, medical practices companies,
and trade associations. He's also helped candidate

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seek elected office and worked on numerous
local and state referendums and board initiatives.

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John believes in the importance of giving
back to his community. He was chair

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of the Board of Directors of the
Northern Rhode Island Chamber of Commerce and as

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a member of the Workforce Partnership of
Greater Rhode Island. In four and seven,

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Gateway Healthcare awarded John with their Community
Leadership Award for providing families and children

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in need with thousands of holiday gifts. He's also served as chair of the

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Board Development Committee for the Girl Scouts
of Southeastern New England, where he also

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served three terms on their Board of
Directors. A graduate of Boston College in

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ninety four, he lives with his
wife Susan and children Jenna and Christopher,

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and Cranston, Rhode Island. His
first novel, The Kingmakers of Providence,

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released on March third of this of
last year, and his second novel,

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Just the Siberian Candidate, just released
on December fifth. John, Welcome to

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Winning Business TV and radio, and
thanks so much for being here. Gray,

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thank you for having me. I
really enjoy it and I really liked

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your opening Churchill quote. Do you
like that? So have something in common?

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We both like Churchill. Absolutely.
I've visited the war rooms. Actually

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in my wife and I went to
England London for a week and then the

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countryside for a week later, and
it was it was we just went.

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We just in September whatever and fascinating, fascinating. My I remember having this

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debate with my father who I actually
dedicated my first book to Keeymakers of Providence,

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and I asked him as a student
in high school, who is the

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greatest person of the twentieth century and
we agreed it was Churchill that was I

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mean, could someone else have done
what he did at that time in England's

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history? Yeah, some of some
very difficult and unpopular things. My favorite

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Churchilean quote is what is it in
war magnan, you know, and in

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defeat, defiance and peace goodwill in
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on point, summarized everything. He
was great, just getting right to the

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right, to the point, no
nonsense. And I actually had a very

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long career was prime minister I think
twice, two separate terms. My favorite

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quote of this and it was a
whole speech, but you'll know it never

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give up, Yeah, never given
never, never, never less for matters

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of honor, right, right,
which is a segue to Henry. But

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we'll get to that. We'll get
to that, right. Tell us about

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Susan, your wife. Well,
I definitely married up just like Henry,

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as did I. While I actually
wrote about his wife before I had met

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my wife, and then I went
back and included some certain sections of our

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romance. But she's the love of
my life. Together we have two beautiful

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children, Jenna and Christopher. And
she's a school teacher. So it's hard

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sometimes to deal with a public relations
writing guy that likes to experience life.

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But she keeps me in check,
keeps me grounded. And yeah, I'm

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very lucky to have her. That's
awesome. And tell us a little bit

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about Jenna and Christopher. Well,
Jenna was just in my office, so

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if we had started a little earlier, you would have met her because she

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had to go for an interview.
So she's looking for her summer job,

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and there's an opportunity for our major
healthcare provider, health provider here in Rhode

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Island. She wants to be a
doctor, and she's studying at LaSalle Academy

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doing very well. We're very excited
for her. She's a gymnast. And

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my son, Christopher is my little
hockey player. He's thirteen and he's over

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at he's in middle school. Nice. Nice, that's kind of what we

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do what we do, right,
why we do what we do? Yeah,

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And you know, one of the
benefits I've had and is did this

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ten thousand small businesses program with Goldman
Sachs. I remember one of your things

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they did was they had us put
in an envelope. You know what we

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wanted to accomplish, what we wanted
to give, what we envisioned for our

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business. And it was all about
giving back to my children. And like

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I said, and you know,
you get to remember that, and that's

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what's really important, absolutely real.
So let's get some background. Tell us

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where you grew up. I grew
up in Warwick, Rhode Island. So

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I moved across across the state to
Grants and so I moved about and everything

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is relative in Rhode Island, so
about five miles away. I went to

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Pilgrim High School and it's great.
I go to back to the same hockey

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rink where our championship banner hangs in
the same ice I skated with as a

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child. I skate on now with
my son. So that's cool with Warwick

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Junior Hockey. In fact, I
did a radio interview from the hockey rink

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during the Newport Newport Tournament this Christmas. I had to get run off the

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bench and go into my car and
do a radio interview and I was like,

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this is awesome. And I did
a shout out for his team.

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So we're big hockey hockey fanatics or
hockey dads. We're our own special breed.

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But I I was fortunate in nineteen
eighty nineteen eighty eight to go to

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Russia. Oh wow. And I
was part of this youth program, the

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hu O Brian Youth Foundation, and
I had represented Rhode Island at their International

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Leadership conference as a sophomore in high
school. And they had sent a Russian

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the Russias during Glasows and Peristrikia.
So you know, I'm a kid of

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the Cold War, so I grew
up with you know, hunt for Red

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October and you know, worrying about
the Russians and Ronald Reagan the Evil Empire.

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So Russia was, you know,
just an amazing experience for me in

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the sense that as I had never
been out of the lot of really New

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England just meant gone to Florida and
never been out of the United States,

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my first international experience is going to
Russia. You know, they were supposed

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to be this great empire, and
I've soon discovered that was not the case.

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But it was impactful both how I
got there and the time I spent

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there. How I got there is
I had to raise the money and average

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people in Rhode Island. Just like
they gave me money, they raised the

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money though with the Chambers of Commerce, the rotaries. In fact, I

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still speak at the same Warwick Rotary
that I've spoken to them three times now.

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Once I was seventeen years old trying
to raise money because I got to

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have a chance to go back and
speak to them. So that was incredible

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from the sense that I could see
what the community could do for someone.

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And then two I was exposed at
such a young age to another culture,

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another way of life, and the
system. So that has definitely impacted me

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from the you know, throughout my
career. I then went off to Boston

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College. I studied political science and
I actually started writing in college because I

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used to write these, you know, pages on Russian intellectual history and and

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all the types of papers. So
I was used to writing, and I

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was very into like Tom Clanty and
those types of books. Sure great,

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So I think I started my first
piece in college. I didn't finish it,

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like a lot of writers. I
started something, and then I went

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off and tried to make a living. So with a political science degree,

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unless you go to law school,
you're limited in what you do. I

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went into doing some local political consulting, working for a local Rhode Island or

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I moved back home, I started
working on political campaigns. I would be

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a press secretary, or I would
work on the direct mail, or I'd

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write their commercial, or I would
coordinate getting their signs. So that's I

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grew up kind of in that environment. I mean, you're like twenty two

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somewhere, TI, Yeah, truth
be told. The first couple of years

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out of college, I kind of, you know, like many young people

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trying to figure out my way.
I want to be a professional ski club

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president, that kind of thing.
After I got that out of my I

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had to move back home and needed
to work. And I could write,

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and I could I had to give
good education, and so I was able

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to kind of put that to work
in what I studied, which was exciting.

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A lot of political science pagers at
the time, you know, didn't

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actually go into politics. So I'm
doing local Rhode Island politics, which is

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its own special culture. All right, So you need to do this.

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A lot of our viewers and listeners
are outside of New England share the flavor

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because it's very interesting. I'm in
Boston, I'm well, I'm not anywhere

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near as you are, but I'm
well aware of the type of culture in

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Rhode Island, so I wasn't aware
of it either until I came back.

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So I come back. You know, I'm from Boston College. I have

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all this Jesuit idealism and stealed with
me. I'm going to change the world.

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I'm going to do great things.
And I come back and I get

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hammered. Okay, welcome to the
real world. The real world in Providence

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in nineteen ninety eight before two thousand
was the Buddy c anci Era had his

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heyday. And for those who did
not know, Buddy, Buddy was the

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political figure in Rhode Island politics for
about twenty years. He was a young

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elected mayor, a anti corruption crusader
who became a young Republican mayor in a

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Democratic state. Well he even talked
about as a potential VP pick. And

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then he got into some trouble with
his wife was having issues and he ended

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up assaulting and being convicted of assaulting
her lover and went off did actually do

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time, but then not that.
He came back and he had to leave

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office, and then he had a
successful became a radio host just like you.

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But then he ran again for mayor, and even though he was a

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convicted felon, he won I recall
and then he served for I don't know

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ten years, and so I came
back and he was at the height of

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his power. And I can remember
going into his office with a young state

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senator that he had procured a good
job for and he's saying the senator saying,

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Hey, I want to run for
office. He's like, why do

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you want to do that? Tell
me why it was? It was here

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I am with like the political boss, right, And I can remember him

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like feel in my back to see
if I was wearing a wire. I'm

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like, where what is it?
So? Really, yeah, the Providence

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that I came into was like a
culture shock, and if if you read

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if you read The Prince of Providence
by Mike Stanton, you can get a

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real flavor of what it truly was
like. And then Crime Town, the

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podcast series is fantastic. What I
have found is that while the mafia may

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have moved out, the corruption is
like ingrained in our culture, and like

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new types of special interests have moved
in to fill their void. So my

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book talks about that, but in
a fictional way. For example, my

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mayor is not Italian, He's Irish, and the Irish had a firm place

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in Rhode Island politics and province politicis
for generations. So I just carried that

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through kind of like Mayor FITZI up
in Boston, like I kind of you

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know, a lot of my characters
are composites, so I wanted to show

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people my observations of what local politics
was really like. So, yes,

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I've been bellished, I've made some
reciss but the background and the culture from

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where I came it gave me.
As one reporter mentioned to me, Providence

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is like an amusement park for politics
because we know everybody's business. And I

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think that's actually what makes us strong
in Rhode Island, that we know everybody.

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But that can be a negative too. It's kind of like that old

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boys culture that you got to try
to break in and to really get anything

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done, you have to know somebody, and that can breed corruption. We

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know the famous line power corrupts,
absolute, power corrupts absolutely. That was

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very true here in Rhode Island.
But like you said, you're from Massachusetts.

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It's not like we always get the
bad name that we're the most corrupt

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places. But you know Massachusett,
how many how many speakers or Senate presidents

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have been indicted up there? I
mean, so we're not the only ones.

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author and business owner. So John,

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when did you know you wanted to
be a writer? And is it true

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you started writing Kingmakers of Providence twenty
years ago? Yeah? So I think

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the answer to that is I've always
wanted to be a writer. And I

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think with being a writer comes a
lot of self doubt. You say,

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should I be writing? You know? Am I Hemingway, I Fitzgerald?

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You know who am a Dan Brown? You know? You look at those

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famous people and you think of you
know, I'm nothing like that, right,

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lot of that self that. So

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I think I've always wanted to be
a writer. Like I said, I

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probably worked on my first piece in
right after college. I wrote this when

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I was about thirty. I started
it right after I worked on the two

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thousand and two special election for Providence
and I had one of the candidates.

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I was their political consultant in a
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because Buddy Cians had gone off to
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to succeed him. And that's where
this story originated. So that was in

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two thousand and two. I finished
it, and after I lost that race,

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I wasn't this hot shot political consultant
anymore. So I did what you

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know anyone would do in my situation. I fled, and I fled to

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Prague. I had a friend from
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He sent me up with some of
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of weeks. A few weeks out
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I wanted to do that kind of
European I was left bank thing where I

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was in Paris writing on the seen, eating bag ats and drinking. Yeah,

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eating bag ats and coffee. But
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it's really and you're in a foreign
land, it's not so fun.

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So I came back with my tail
between my legs, had to move back

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in with mom and dad. They
were thrilled. My father then has a

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major heart attack, so it was
good that I was home because I was

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able to help out and when he
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could work. And then that's where
I launched my business because I needed actual

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income. The whole time that I
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politicians and small businesses and nonprofits.
I always had that bug to write,

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and I always went back to my
work. I did get in two thousand

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and six a chapter published in a
literary journal called The Northeast Review. So

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I did get published somewhere, one
chapter, and then I just let it

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sit because I met Susan, my
wife I needed. We wanted to have

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a life together when I have children. So I really focused on building up

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my business, which was, you
know, a good decision. So what

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happened Then COVID occurs, and you
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you know, is your business even
going to make it? And you're looking

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for things to do, and like
I said, well let me let me

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dust off that old novel, let
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let me do something with it.
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have a lot more contacts and business
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had published a book on selling,
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I asked him how he published,
and he put me in touch with his

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publisher. I went through it with
him. I went through about three rounds

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of editing, went through the whole
process and really enjoy the process from looking

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at the cover designs and then seeing
the feedback from these professional editors and tell

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me, you know, you should
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back certain years. And then the
big thing is, we really don't like

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your ending. We think you should
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more of us a clip. So
I had to go back and write that.

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So I now started to learn the
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takes a while with the type setting
and the printing, and I can remember

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going back and forth with the publisher
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you know you're now in like shortages
because of COVID. So during that whole

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long process, I started writing my
second book because I was so into it

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and loved it. So the first
book took me twenty years to write,

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and the second book took me nine
months. I love that. I saw

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that yeah uh, a little ode
to Shakespeare too. No, Henry's last

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name, oh yeah, spelled a
little differently Henry. Yeah. In I

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almost was going to go back and
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with TiO. But I kept it
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for Henry the fifth too, so
it's a nice Shakespeare. Okay, yeah,

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let's see give a Let me go
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second, because I want you to
be able to talk about those for a

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minute because people might need your help. Tell us about JAGE Communications in main

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street media, one being public relations, the other being marketing. So it

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started out with JAGE Communications. I
literally hung out a shingle, needed a

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job. Wasn't my book wasn't going
anywhere. Uh. And you'll see a

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lot of writers, first time writers. They they either teaching prep school or

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they're they're a journalist. They're doing
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writing novels and hit it big.
That doesn't happen. Yeah, overnight success

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twenty years ago. That's over twenty
an overnight success for twenty years. So

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I literally drove around. In fact, I remember my father offering to buy

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tires from my car because I was
putting so many miles on my car driving

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around to try to get business the
old fashioned way. And you know,

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I went to all my contacts and
I said, hey, I can be

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your marketing director for hire. You
all coordinate all your marketing. I'll come

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down to your office and work from
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I didn't have anywhere to go,
I anybodys to go, but I go

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to their office and I'd work from
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graphic design. And then I would
get, you know, one client,

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then I'd get referred to another,
and another and another, and all of

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a sudden, I had a business. And I remember hiring my first employee,

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and I was so worried that she
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there to answer the phone. I
was like, please someone call because so

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that's how it began. My first
break was with this trusted choice insurance agents

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had an opportunity to pitch them.
I worked weeks to do it. I

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remember working that weekend before doing the
big pitch, and then it's just like

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mad Men, where you went and
did the big pitch. I got it

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and that changed everything, and I
still have that client today. I run

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a campaign with about twenty twenty five
at the height of about thirty eight different

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insurance agents from around the state.
They pool their money, some companies sponsor

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them, they get some grant money
and we do a quarter a million dollar

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campaign on TV and radio with all
their individual messages. Was able to develop

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that in New Hampshire and Vermont as
well by Rhode Island and the independ insurance

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agents and Rhode Island Trust Choices what
put me on the map as a business.

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From there I was able to grow
with other agents and other insurance earns

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companies. Then I started pivoting towards
medicine because my brother was a doctor,

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introduced I dude someone's website and then
someone would reach out to me and say,

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oh, my brother had the best
medical websites. So then I get

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referred to another time, you know, and go. Fifteen years later,

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I'm doing work for Brown and their
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Brown Eurology, their residency programs,
and during COVID, while I was

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homewriting, the other thing I was
doing was going to the hospital during COVID

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to video all their residency programs.
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to see what a great program Brown
was, we had to bring the experience

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of Brown to them. So we
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like you're doing here in podcasts,

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for people to tell their own stories
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the media, but going direct.
And so that's a lot of what we

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do today, a lot of video, social media, web development, video

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production, and that certainly has helped
me with my book. I don't know

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how these writers do it. I
have a whole staff that does my website,

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it does video for me, social
media. You know, these these

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people have to do it all their
own. It's tough to have someone scheduling

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my appearances and helping me out with
that. It's just it's hard because being

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a writer is almost like your own
startup business. And that's been really rewarding

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for me to get to see that
again what it's like. But that I

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mean, I'm sure it's a passion. I have no doubt that it's a

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passion. But it could also be
a lucrative future, right, and there's

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a possibility. I don't know how
big we all have. We all have

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that aspirations, I'm sure. But
I loved by the way the shout out

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to Spenser for hire in one of
the pre in your press kit. You

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know, big Spenser fan. I
read all those books as a kid.

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Yeah they were good. Uh had
you know that was our guy and Providence

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as Mercutio. So it but there's
a potential. How do TV shows get

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made? How do movies get made? From authors? Right? So is

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that a goal? Is that an
aspiration? It is? And you know,

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I'm hoping it's not going to take
twenty years like getting published. And

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I do have someone who's been helping
me, who's been the movie business as

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a producer. He's been advising me. I actually have I'll show you this

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is my what's called my bible.
It has synopsis of the characters. It's

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a nine episodes limited series. I
have a summary of every episode. And

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then I've written, actually, this
is the pilot of the screenplay, sixty

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something pages. I absolutely loved doing
that. That gave me like a new

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sense and new inspiration, and you
know it's good. It's actually even helped

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me with my business writing because writing's
writing. It's clearly getting your thoughts out.

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And certainly when you keep it's like
practice with anything. If you want

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to be a good musician, you
keep practicing. Product editors the same thing

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you're just going to keep doing it
and doing you get better. So the

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more I write, I think,
the better I hopefully get. But and

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then even switching platforms like so going
from a novel to then the challenge of

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writing it as a screenplay. It's
a different format. You know, you're

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more descriptive in your novel, you
have to do that with visuals and dialogue.

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I am very heavy in dialogue in
my books, so it was easy

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to transfer that over. But you
have to do enough format that works for

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TV or the movies, and most
likely if this ever gets made, it

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will be more a TV series like
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I mean me and everybody else,
right, Sure, that's the thing.

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It's like people people think and I
go and talk and they think it's

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just going to automatically because I wrote
a book become a Netflix series. It

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doesn't work that way. It doesn't
work that way. You don't just send

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it to the inbox. It's probably
the most competitive business you can be in.

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Everybody wants to be in this business. So I'm focusing on developing my

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characters I had. I had a
really great conversation with another author on Friday

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and he was telling me, you
know, stick with what you're good at,

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sick, what were you like,
and it will take care of itself.

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And that was probably the thing that
was important I took from my business

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too. I remember one of my
first clients saying to me that, and

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it was an insurance agency that had
been around for almost one hundred years at

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the time, and he was talking
about his father and his grandfather and he's

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saying what they had passed on to
him was he if you take care of

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the clients, the business will take
care of itself. And I still believe

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that. And I think same thing
with the book. If you take care

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of the characters, you're right good
stuff. You know, you don't take

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the readers for granted. You respect
them and respect the time they're spending with

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you, it'll it'll happen. So
that's that's the That's what I enjoy doing.

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Love it all right, We're got
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author of The Kingmakers of Providence and
his sequel to Siberian Candidate. I want

409
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:53.880
to get into the books in some
more depth here and I want you to

410
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talk about you did mention the inspiration
was or is and was a composite sort

411
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:05.559
of of history and actual people,
but certainly fictionalized. I'd like to read

412
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this for the audience. The Kingmakers
of Providence is a tour de force in

413
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:13.240
five acts, through campaign craft and
all out political war, A fast paced

414
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:17.519
novel for our time that unites the
Machiavellian with the Shakespearean to answer one looming

415
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:21.920
question. When you only play to
win, how do you keep from becoming

416
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your worst enemy? I love that, or if you wrote that, or

417
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.519
somebody else did, I actually did
not that. They don't let you write

418
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:31.680
your your summary, your your back
covers because they think you'll give away too

419
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:38.039
much. Seriously, Uh, but
walk us through, you know, introduce

420
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:43.839
us to Henry and walk us through
the don't give away too much, of

421
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.240
course, because we want people to
buy the book. But so I didn't

422
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:53.039
start out to write a Henry series, but that's what it's. So everything

423
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:58.799
revolves around Henry, and it's like
a coming of age kind of you know.

424
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.119
It starts off and he I can
give this away. The opening line

425
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:06.599
is I'm not burdened by personal conviction. And that was a joke he would

426
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.839
say when I was a young political
consultant. And the idea is, and

427
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:14.720
I'm not really burdened by the truth
I'll do whatever right. So that sets

428
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:17.839
the tone. And he's at a
funeral and it's the it's the funeral of

429
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:21.960
a big political boss, and all
the politicians are there. So I try

430
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.960
to paint the picture of this is
what Providence politics are like. It's not.

431
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.119
People are shown up for the funeral. They don't really care about the

432
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.519
guy, but they need to be
seen. And then I try to we

433
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.759
all go nostalgic for what I think
of the bygone areas, and I talk

434
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:39.519
about, you know, the good
old days and politics, but the reality

435
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:45.680
is they weren't a good old days. They might have been worse where political

436
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:51.000
patronage got you things, But that
was to show the culture. So then

437
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:57.039
what happens is there's someone brave that
decides to stand up for the mayor and

438
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:01.599
expose his racketeering ring. And he
says, the small building developer who's pissed

439
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:08.360
off that his building got left out
of an opportunity enterprise zone and so but

440
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:15.119
in order to get into that zone, you got to pay five and so

441
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:21.320
he decides he wears a wire and
exposes the former chief of staff of the

442
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:25.719
mayor. That actually happened in real
life. I took a I made it

443
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:31.800
my own kind of story, but
that happened, and the difference between what

444
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.719
really happened. And then in my
book is the mayor happens to be on

445
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:44.159
a cultural exchange in Ireland and he
gets wind that as soon as he lands

446
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:49.440
in Boston he's getting indicted, so
he flees, so he takes off.

447
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.360
He gets smuggled out of Ireland by
his Ira cousin because you know he's going

448
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:57.960
to have an Ira cousin, right
of course, and the drug trade and

449
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:01.480
can smuggle by played by Willem the
Foe or somebody like yeah, exactly exactly,

450
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:05.079
and so you know, and I
have this scene where he's like,

451
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:10.880
you know, crossing the Irish Sea
going to England, and then he smuggled

452
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.519
into Birmingham where apparently there are a
lot of mix I say, And then

453
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:21.159
he's then he takes the chunnel over
to Paris, and then he makes his

454
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:29.079
way to Prague, right, and
he hooks up with a Lithuanian prostitute who

455
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:34.920
he figures that they'll be looking for
a single guy, but not like an

456
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.159
old paramore with a young woman,
so he figures that it would be better

457
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:45.360
for his disguise and their racketeering ring
the mayor and the chief of staff has

458
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:49.880
netted them millions of dollars and they've
stashed some of it in some Swiss bank

459
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:55.119
accounts and the cayman's so he's got
plenty of dough to live it up in

460
00:35:55.239 --> 00:36:00.639
Prague. Meanwhile, the office is
declared vacant, and our young Henry,

461
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:07.960
who lost the governor's race a couple
of years ago, gets recruited by his

462
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:16.679
law firm to run the mayoral because
he's working for the former congressman that had

463
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:22.239
run for governor and loss. So
now this Congressman McNally is in a big

464
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:27.079
prestigious province law firm, kind of
a rainmaker, and so they say,

465
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.719
hey, we want our chance to
get the mayor in the office so that

466
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:35.199
our clients will be represented. We'll
get access to all these the treasure trove

467
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:39.159
of contracts. So what happens and
I will give it away, is Henry

468
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:45.000
finds himself in a very precarious situation
with a young lady on one of the

469
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:51.360
political event nights and makes a poor
decision but doesn't go all the way and

470
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:57.360
making a really bad decision. But
then he is extorted to throw the race,

471
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:02.880
and the question is would you trade
everything you believe in to protect yourself

472
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.559
Because for the first time, Henry's
found his candidate. He's found the person

473
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:15.719
that he thinks will restore honor to
politics and providence. Yet he has betrayed

474
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:22.079
his own ideals by putting himself in
a precarious situation and ultimately almost costing this

475
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:27.800
gentleman the race. So we watch
Henry kind of navigate the political system to

476
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.400
make it appear like he's trying to
throw the race, but yet at the

477
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:37.400
same time winning it. So he's
got this challenge to do so. And

478
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.719
then there is a big hero that
comes in, kind of very Shakespearean like

479
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:46.679
Norway coming in at the end of
Hamlet restores honor everything. So book two

480
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:51.639
we continue the story, but now
Henry's in a different place. He's now

481
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:59.800
and he wants to prove himself again, and he soon realizes that the corporate

482
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:05.679
were world is we just as nefarious
as the political world he thought he escaped

483
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:09.599
from. At the same time,
we have a lieutenant governor of Rhode Island

484
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:17.559
that is of Ukrainian descent and he's
never known his father. His father died

485
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.840
for the Soviet Union in Afghanistan,
and he's been raised by his mother and

486
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:28.440
came over Rhode Island a good liberal. He went to Brown, he worked

487
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:32.840
with political circuits and became lieutenant governor. And he represents this progressive wing of

488
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:37.239
the party that I've been told in
the Chamber of Commerce for years are the

489
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:42.159
boogeyman. They're going to come in
and make all changes in Rhode Island.

490
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:45.360
I never he's going to raise body. So, so I'm looking at the

491
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:51.000
progressive I've one the Progressive book Eman. So in my theory, I said,

492
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:57.719
the Russians I pretty sure were involved
in the presidential elections, messing around

493
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.159
whatever they did, Okay, I
know they were involved, or we think

494
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:05.079
that what if they were involved in
local elections? Okay, what if they

495
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.599
ran an operation it's just not presidents, or they went in local how would

496
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:12.760
they do it? Well, Rhode
Island's often a test market for new products.

497
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.519
So I test the whole theory,
trying to prove that they can do

498
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:21.679
it in Rhode Island. Buy a
governor's ship, okay, back in the

499
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.320
seutenant coverment. But the problem is
the lieutenant government doesn't even realize he's been

500
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:30.719
bought because he thinks it's his long
lost father's money he earned for service to

501
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:36.519
the Soviet Union, But it's not. It's Russian intelligence money. So who

502
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.280
do you turn to in a situation
like that when you need to find out

503
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:44.599
that you've been funding your campaign with
Russian intelligence money and then you use that

504
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:49.079
money to go fund campaigns around the
country and you've committed some felonies, Well

505
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.519
you turn to Henry Murfeu Shia.
So Henry's going to come back in and

506
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:59.960
help bring Rhode Island back on its
righteous path. But we're going to discover

507
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:07.000
who that Henry's father in law,
who is a billionaire. How do his

508
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:13.679
family get his money? Like every
great fortunes right, and Henry will start

509
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:17.840
to work on an international stage because
when we discover that the Russians have been

510
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.599
working our elections, well we're going
to give him a little payback. So

511
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:28.400
Henry helps run an operation in Saint
Petersburg, Russia, where I happened to

512
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.239
go and party with Marines when I
was seventeen years old at their consulate.

513
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:36.239
So I get back to Russia,
yeah, through Prague while I was in

514
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:42.559
my twenties, my late twenties.
So that's the Siberian Candidate. I love

515
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.440
it, so are you. Are
we working on a third novel yet?

516
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:52.679
I am, and that is the
third in the Henry trilogy. I thought

517
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:58.400
I might end it there with Henry. I certainly wouldn't kill him off,

518
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.440
but I would kind of come flute
his story, and I talked about maybe

519
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:07.920
going back and covering some of my
other characters, because I can't see putting

520
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.840
the pen down, or for me, the computer keys. I'm going to

521
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:20.280
keep writing. And I'm about halfway
through the thirteenth State, which happens to

522
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:28.920
be Rhode Island, and there's a
big climax at the end of The Siberian

523
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:32.840
Candidate. Something happens in Rhode Island, and the third book explains what happens

524
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:40.960
and then sets the stage before Henry
taking a continued role internationally and again he

525
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:46.840
used to represent when we have good, smart people involved helping to make decisions,

526
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:52.840
and the repercussions of some of those
decisions, and all the nefarious actors

527
00:41:53.079 --> 00:42:00.159
around all, you know, wanting
their piece of the pie. So it's

528
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.000
a lot of what I you know
to say right about what you know?

529
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.559
I worked in politics for twenty years, still dabbling in a little bit.

530
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:13.800
So I know about how political campaigns
are run, but I like to tell

531
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:15.599
it in a thriller format. So
you know, I don't have any CIA

532
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:21.119
background or any of this stuff.
I like to that's definitely my Tom Clancy

533
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:27.159
influence and read all his stuff,
so I gravitate towards that kind of stuff.

534
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.559
Are you going to be in a
cameo having a drink at a bar

535
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:35.039
in the background of the movie,
of the movie or the series, I'll

536
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:42.039
be I'll be happy to be have
my name listed as written by John Hole.

537
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:47.039
Yeah, and so so that's what
you know. What was interesting is

538
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.559
being in my business and doing a
lot of graphic design and video, and

539
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:58.320
I produced some videos for for the
books, but I didn't really did see.

540
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:05.960
I really enjoyed being the client and
I really loved the book covers they

541
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:12.679
create. So I certainly leave that
to the professionals. So I certainly wouldn't

542
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.760
I wouldn't interfere if this ever gets
into a movie or a series, let

543
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:20.639
them have at it. Certainly,
if they would like my input and want

544
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.119
my involvement, I would certainly want
to do that. But I also like

545
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:29.800
being the writer. That's really cool. Well, it sounds like fun to

546
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.960
be where you are, and the
books sound fun as well. What would

547
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:38.639
your advice be to newer authors who
are maybe dabbling, maybe trying to start.

548
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:43.800
Don't worry about the money. I
mean, you're going to have to

549
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.000
have another job. I don't know
anybody. I don't know any writer that

550
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:52.840
unless they're independently wealthy or someone finances
them. You know. But this isn't

551
00:43:52.920 --> 00:44:00.400
back in Machiavelli's day where you could
get like the patrons to financer are or

552
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:04.320
writing. So you're gonna probably have
to have a job. And I know

553
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.800
so many writers that, and there's
so many famous writers like I write at

554
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:13.239
four am or sometimes on the weekend, I write before work, or I

555
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:16.960
write at lunch. Sometimes they never
to interfere with my regular job because that's

556
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:22.920
what pays the bills. There's famous
authors that you know are writing while they

557
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:27.400
are limousine drivers and they're writing,
or cap drivers and they're jotting down work

558
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.760
and coming back. I guess,
love the process, love the writing,

559
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:36.920
that's the fun, enjoyable or tell
your stories, develop your characters, respect

560
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.719
your readers, and the rest.
Let the rest just happen. Of course,

561
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:45.719
if you become a published author,
there's a whole other job you have

562
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:47.480
to do. You're gonna go out
and be a promoter, and you have

563
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:50.840
to promote your books. That's the
other side of it. I don't know

564
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.880
if a lot of writers understand that. You know, there aren't big machines

565
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:59.639
behind you, big publishing houses.
You know aren't paying for publicists and booking

566
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.639
on is your name is Dan Brown
and all these and David Baldacci. That

567
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.800
doesn't happen to writers like John You
gotta do it yourself to get Richard.

568
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.360
Richard Castle was very successful too.
Yeah, so I got to kick out

569
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:16.519
that one. That's a secret,
all right. So the books are available

570
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:24.239
on Amazon. Uh, you're available
at John Houle dot com dot excuse me,

571
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:29.360
okay? Uh. And I do
want to touch on one other area.

572
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:31.800
You volunteer a lot wherever I see
it that I want to touch on

573
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:35.760
it, uh, because I think
it's it makes somebody well rounded. Tell

574
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:37.480
us why you volunteer, why should
others? And what have you been a

575
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:45.119
part of so right now? I
really enjoy coaching. In fact, I

576
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:46.559
remember someone saying to me, it's
kind of what I do at work too.

577
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:52.159
When you have employees. So I
enjoy coaching my son's hockey team.

578
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:57.840
I'm an assistant coach, so I've
enjoyed that. I've been involved in boards.

579
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:02.480
Uh recently the Chamber of Commerce.
That was interesting. And soon I'm

580
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:08.840
going to be judging a contest of
high school students doing a cooking show like

581
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:14.679
a in Rhode Island by our Hospitality
Association. So they asked me to judge

582
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:19.920
the viability of these young chefs wanting
to go out and start their own concepts.

583
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.599
So I'm excited about doing that.
Yeah, I just think it's our

584
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:28.280
responsibility in business to give back to
the community. And it goes back to

585
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:30.840
what I told you about when I
was seventeen. I'm trying to raise money,

586
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:34.920
trying to raise thirty five hundred dollars
to go on a trip to Russia,

587
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.079
and people contributed, So now this
is my way of giving back.

588
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:43.559
I love it. Thank you.
And what else do you do when you're

589
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:45.800
not working, when you're not volunteering? What else you do? What do

590
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:52.880
you have fun with? I like
the golf. I'm certainly my golf game's

591
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.840
gotten worse and my handicap's going up
because I've been writing and working more.

592
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:01.199
I like to travel. Did a
trip to Europe this summer with our kids.

593
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:05.639
Nice. That was that was great
to expose them at you know,

594
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:10.079
thirteen and fifteen to other cultures and
see that. So we like to travel,

595
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:15.639
like to you know, I like
to golf, and like just hanging

596
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.360
out with my wife and my kids
love it. And hiking. We hike

597
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.400
a lot. We spend a lot
of time. We ski. Uh oh

598
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:28.840
so hopefully hopefully getting up skiing this
weekend with a break from hockey this one

599
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:34.480
weekend. But we spent a lot
of time my wife and I in gymnastics

600
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:39.519
meets, at cheerleading events, and
at hockey and lacrosse games. Enjoy every

601
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:43.559
minute of it too. We did
that. We did the same. Who

602
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.960
in the listening and viewing viewing audiences
should reach out to you and why?

603
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.800
Uh So, I just got a
I just got an organize. A company

604
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.880
reached out to me and asked me
to speak at one of their board meetings

605
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.639
one of the and they're they're give
out gifts of my books. So I

606
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:06.639
think that's a fun thing. I've
been a at conventions or I might be

607
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:10.239
like the might speak for a half
hour. What I speak about is is

608
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:15.800
writing as a startup business? And
what the key takeaways from writing a book?

609
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:20.079
What I've learned, specifically in the
marketing realm. I've had to go

610
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.159
out and market this book myself,
so when my money was on the line,

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and I take the money of my
clients very seriously as well, what

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are the things that I've seen work
and what would I recommend? So I

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wrote a blog. People can get
that off of my website JAGE Communications actually

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Main Street m m A I n
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there anyone who's interested in reading what
I found. I call it what actually

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works? And you know, I
like talking to organizations. I also in

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giving back. I was at a
senior center last week. I had four

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people, but I enjoyed it.
Talked about my characters. I go around

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to senior centers, libraries, independent
living facilities, rotaries, and I love

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to talk about my experience as a
writer, talk about my books. What

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inspired me. I read a couple
chapters, so I do that as part

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of my volunteerism to talk about it
and usually people will buy a few books,

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which is always nice to support the
habit. But people looking for someone

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to be entertained in a business format, a business association or a group that

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wants to have someone who has worked
in both the artistic side as well as

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the business side that can also relate
what's starting a new product or a new

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book or a new initiative, which
is what a book is. It's almost

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its own business. But that's like
I certainly could share my experience and telling

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some entertaining stories about politics. Excellent, Well, listen, thank you very

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much. We're out of time.
I really appreciate you taking yours to be

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here. I enjoyed it. I'm
sure the audience has did as well.

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Well. I really appreciate you giving
me the opportunity to go on and share

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my stories. Well, thank you, and thank you audience for watching and

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listening. This is a show about
business, business challenges and successes. If

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you've got concerns about the growth of
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to me on Facebook or LinkedIn at
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a note, I always say one
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Business Radio dot com. Our company
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Training. We develop sales teams into
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and mentors. Listen. We're not
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have a conversation. Thank you to
produce at Engineer one for another job well

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done, Thank you one. Be
sure to join us next week that's Monday,

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January twenty ninth. We'll do it
all over again. Until then,

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this is Kevin Helena. You've been
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Kevin Helena. If you missed any
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