Mohammed A. Siddiqui - Financial Advisor, Business Owner, World Traveler and Adventurer, Author

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you heard me say, as You've
heard me say many times, virtually every

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successful person that I've ever had a
chance to talk to has had some form

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of failure in their lives and careers. So while we all have to get

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our knees skinned once in a while, I'm driven to keep those scrapes from

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needing major surgery. Let's endeavor to
learn from history so we don't repeat it

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today. I guess is Mohammed Sadiki, wealth advisor, business owner, world

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traveler and adventurer, and a friend. Here's his bio. Mohammed has been

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a wealth advisor with Trilogy Financial since
twenty twelve. He brings thirty five years

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of senior sales management and business development
skills acquired in Corporate America, where he

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managed global sales organizations. He brings
financial planning acumen to help his clients,

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both individuals and business. Mohammed practices
what he preaches, which is that there's

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a big difference between doing well and
doing good. He's been on the board

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of several nonprofits that serve those needing
a helping hand. He's also also the

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founder of Sales Solutions Sales Management that's
a sales consulting organization. He holds a

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bachelor's degree in economics from Osmania University
in India and an MBA from Babson College

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in Massachusetts, with a concentration in
finance and financial management. As an avid

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outdoorsman, Mohammed has summited four peaks
and his many continents and his trek deserts

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in Mongolia, Africa, and India. He's been to this probably has to

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be updated. Mohammed seventy four countries
on business or adventure. He's an expert

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skier and a skilled skydiver. He's
a dad to Raza and Laila, and

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he's a granddad to Gabriel and husband
to the lovely Daisy and together they live

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in Natick, Massachusetts. Today,
we're going to spend time getting to know

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him and talking about his new book, Footprints in Stone, a History of

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Immigration and Assimilation. Mohammed, welcome
to the show, Thanks for being here.

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Thank thank you very much. Kevin
Wow after that, and I he's

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like you said, thank you though. What's the update on the number of

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countries? How many countries have you
been to? I'm sorry, Kevin?

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What update four in that bio sent? Yeah, seventy five. Now I

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just came back from Adagascar, so
yeah, I can claim to be,

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you know, having visited seventy five
countries. So here's what I'm want to

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know. And I think what viewers
and listeners are probably curious about. Where

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do you get the time? I
know it's been many years, but where

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do you get the time during a
year to go to a couple of countries?

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How do you do that? How
do you pull it off? Because

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you still work? You know,
my wife, I still work, and

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it took me seven years to write
the book. And I was complaining for

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my wife one day and she said, listen, twenty four hours in a

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day will be twenty four hours in
a day. So you either get up

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a couple of hours earlier, go
to bed a little bit later than you

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do. And Kevin, I have
traveled off those seventy five countries. I've

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done a lot of business travel,
yeah, but you know I've always taken

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the opportunity to take a few days
afterwards and you know, do things that

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I want to do in a particular
country. And you have to find the

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time. It is important to you
then work, will you know, Kevin,

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nobody has has said the following on
their deathbed. Oh I wish I

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went to that one last meeting.
You know, we all I wanted to

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do things we want to do,
and traveling is in my blood. So

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I do find the time. Well, I'm not going to read all seventy

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five, but these at least are
highlights to me having gone through the book.

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Beijing, the country of Georgia,
Japan, Venezuela, Australia, Northwest

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Territory, Iceland, Morocco, Mongolia
and the Gobi Desert, South Korea,

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Turkey, Ireland, Chile, Dubai, Czech Republic, South Africa, Alaska,

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Bermuda, Argentina, Uruguay, Peru, Sri Lanka, Abu Dhabi Coast.

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I know you're getting bored. Costa
Rica, Scotland, Germany, Poland,

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Denmark, Greenland. There are many
others that's not seventy five. Those

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are just highlights from the book.
It's incredible and that's why I wanted to

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for you to share about the book. But we're going to back up for

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a minute and talk about your upbringing
just briefly in some of your professional career.

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But it's pretty amazing to me,
and that's why I wanted you to

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get a chance to talk about it. So tell everybody where you were born

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and what that upbringing was like.
Yeah, so, Kevin, I was

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born in India, and I actually
have spent many, many more years in

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this country than I did in India. I was about twenty one twenty two

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when I immigrated and country, and
well just a couple of years older than

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that. But but yes, I
have been here a lot longer period in

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my life than in India. But
you know, there's an old Jesuit saying

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that show that says, show me
a boy of seven, and I'll show

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you the man. What you learn
in your boyhood in uh, in your

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childhood as you're growing up from either
your parents or your grandparents, stays with

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you, you know, forever.
In some of those things. As I

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get older, I come to realize
how important those were in the books sort

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of captures some of those, uh, those thoughts and those feelings as well.

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Um, who made the decision to
come to the US? Was it

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your family? You were you married
yet? I just it was I have

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two older sisters and they and both
were in this country. So my coming

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here was relatively easy. And it's
not like these days when you apply for

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a you know, a visa or
a green card to come over and you

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have to wait years and year plus
person ago of my sister, it wasn't.

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I was so fairly easy. And
when you are that young, Kevin,

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you know you have an adventurous spirit. You want to see the rest

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of the world. And having spent
twenty two years in India, I really

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wanted to get a taste of,
you know, what other cultures were all

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about. But once you get a
few hamburgers and French fries in your blood,

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you don't want to go back,
trust me, you want to stay

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here forever. No people, some
people are thinking, this was an Indian

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and he's probably Hindu and he's eating
hamburgers. You're not your Muslim? What

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percentage of Indians are Hindu versus Muslim? Sure? I would say Kevin,

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seventy percent of the popular relation of
India is Hindu. Ye, there's a

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significant Popularistians, Buddhists and Jains,
and believe it or not, there's still

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a very small percentage of Jews that
live on the east coast of India in

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a in a city called Ponda Cherry. So there's a variety of religions,

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but the majority, you're right,
are Hindus in about fifteen percent of Muslims.

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And I happen to be a Muslim. When you got to the US,

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where did you live? Initially?
I was very lucky in that respect,

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you know. I mean obviously,
when you come here, you've got

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to start working. And I was
going to college and so forth. But

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it wasn't like I was going to
sleep on the streets or you know,

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I had a home, my sister's
home to go to. But then,

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of course, you know, what
you want to do is get on your

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feet as quickly as possible. So
once I got my masters, I was

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lucky enough to having gone to Babs
and for my MBA, interviewed in college,

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got my first job and then you
know, started working in sales.

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What else right right you can take? You can take you can take the

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boy out of says, but never
says out of the boy, right,

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So I h So that's my history, Kevin. I stayed with my sister

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for almost a year. Uh uh. And then you know, my wife

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came over. But I was married
at a very young age when I was

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in India, and then she followed
me after I got my feet on the

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ground. So curiosity would cause the
question would beg the question, was it

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arranged an arranged marriage? Uh?
No? And and you know yes and

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no. I knew my wife and
we sort of dated and we got to

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know each other. But you know, being a traditionalist, I and she

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agreed said, you know, let's
go and seek the blessings of our parents.

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So you know, I lost my
father when he was very young,

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when I was very young, but
I went to my mom and she went

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to her parents and we sort of
had them talk and agree. So we

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knew each other, but we sat
chose the old fashioned way, which is

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shoot it a little bit. But
but you know that that's a fact.

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So talk us through just briefly.
Your corporate career track started in sales,

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ended up in sales management work for
some or at least one that I know

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of very large company, but work
your way to that. Sure. So

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my first job right out of baths
and was selling computers. Back then computers

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were yea, you know, these
humongous boxes and before and it was for

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a company called Burrows which I think
his nuss I mean through seven yeah,

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Burroughs Corporation. Um. And before
you graduated selling computers, they had you

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had to sell what they call financial
calculators, something in that can so easily

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be done on your cell phones.
I was assigned the banking sector and I

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sold to the banking sector and I
won an award, and you know,

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when you're in sales, you win
so many awards. But that really got

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into me. And right then I
decided was you know the applause you get

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when you come back. And we
had a belt that you needed to bring

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if you want something. And then
very quickly I graduated from selling financial calculators

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to computers. Worked with Burrows for
a couple of years. I saw a

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better opportunity in Honeywell. Worked there
a couple of years and then truth be

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told, I was shown the door. And you know, when you're in

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sales, you have your highs and
you have your lows and you can't say,

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well, the economy was not good
and this and that. You don't

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meet your numbers, you're shown the
door. So I was lucky enough to

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have a door open for Major Equipment
corporation where I stay ken and I just

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went up the ranks and proud that
I won. They had all these digital

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and had deck. We had these
awards. If you you know, there

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was one hundred and sixty thousand people
at its peak, a fair majority i'd

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say about thirty thousand with salespeople.
And if you were in the top one

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hundred in sales, then you were
given an award. Again, I want

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two of those. The third year
I didn't make it, and then I

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was given a pick up behind you
know that sales. But I did progress.

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I went up to the corporate level
and I was managing salespeople in seven

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countries. Actually when when I left
and you know, went to a supply

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chain company. So this is a
big question. This will take us to

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our first break. We got about
a minute. What are some key takeaways

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from being from having spent a career
in the corporate space. Kevin, you

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said it yourself, always keep your
ears open, learn and it doesn't matter

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who you learn from. That's number
one. And the second thing is always

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hire people that know more than you
on a s aspect. That's good,

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right, Yeah, you really want
to have people compliment you, and I've

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tried to do that consistently throughout my
career. So there, I'm proud to

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say I still have good friends that
have that I've worked for and people that

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I've worked for me. I think
because of that reason, learn from everybody,

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just like you know. I've been
proud to be a member of this

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show. This is my second time
or second time from Kevin. I learned

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from you. I keep my ears
open. That's polite, that's very very

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kind. Well, we're going to
take our first break. We'll be back

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in just about a minute with Mohammed
Sudiki, Wealth advisor, business owner,

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world traveler and adventurer. Come right
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We are back with Mohammed A Sadiki. He'll tell you the significance of

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that a little later. So I
want to ask this. So you've done

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business travel bent to probably a bunch
of countries, having managed that group in

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at least seven countries, How though, did you become a world traveler and

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adventurer? I mean it must be
in your blood by now, it is,

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Kevin, and I remember when I
was very young, my dad,

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who passed away when I was about
eight maybe nine years old. He had

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gone to Nepal. Obviously he hadn't
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came back from Nepal and he brought
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by wind and weather over the centuries. I held one of those, and

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I think that was the start of
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Nepal. I want to go here. And then I had the good well

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they put me in a boarding school
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I mean there were people from outside
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coast of Africa. And hearing names
like Tanganika in Rhodesia, those countries obviously

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are independent now and you know,
it triggered something in me. And I'm

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lucky enough. You know, a
lot of people have a lot of dreams,

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and I consistently make an effort if
I have an opportunity. I truck

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and I have I'm going through nie
salary. But I did not let that

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stop me from going to Madagascar.
The doctor says, I can give you

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a quartos own shot. I says, do it, as long as I

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can go and do the things that
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really inspired me. All right,
one more thing before we get to the

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book. You're also a very accomplished
skydiver former skydiver instructure only because you said

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your knees won't take it anymore.
But it's not a skill thing. It's

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more of a physical thing. How
many jumps have you doing? How did

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you get into skydiving again? It's
called me adventures or call me crazy.

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Most people would choose to call me
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things that I've always wanted to do. And uh, you know, I

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said, you know you can,
you can want, you can think,

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you can read books, just pull
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right, and I did my four
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you know, I just loved it
and just just continued. And then subsequently

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my daughter I started to skydive as
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we never jump out of the same
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factoid. Most accidents don't happen to
individuals. Yes, skydivers due diet.

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It's an extreme sport. But the
planes are old and if they go like

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this, the whole plane collapses.
It's the ground before you before you have

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a chance to pull your parison.
It's like in World War two the Sullivan

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rule right where they had five brothers
or four brothers serving in the same they

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said, no, you can't serve
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so we'd come back and we enjoyed, and then of course, you

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know, she got married, got
pregnant. But I continued, and you

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know, every skydive will have hard
landings. I've had my share. I've

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done you know, mobile skiing,
I've done climb mountains like you suggested.

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So now it's time to pay the
piper. But I will say this,

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Kevin, I've had I've had a
good time doing it, and I would

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not change anything. Fantastic. All
right, tell us about the book.

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It's called Footprints in Stone, a
History of Immigration and Assimilation. First of

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all, why did you decide to
write the book? You know, basically

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to prison my culture in civilization to
a certain extent. As I said earlier,

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you know, you get to a
certain age, you want to build

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a legacy. I have a grandson, Gabriel, and his father is Croatian.

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His mother obviously has Indian heritage,
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So I don't want Gabriel to get
to my age and somebody ask him,

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well, what is your heritage,
and he says, I don't know.

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My one grandfather came from Croatia,
the other from India. That's all

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I know. So it's part of
legacy. But it's really for me to

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not just refresh my memory, but
also explain to people some of those cultural

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cultural heritages that I have inside of
me. Kevin, I'll go on to

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say, a similation and I love
you know, I mean, why do

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I and so many immigrants, why
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because of the fact that this is
the best country in the world. I

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will say that one more time,
the best country in the world. Right.

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So as similation does have its advantages, we financially do well, but

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at what cost we lose cultural identity. I don't know if you know many

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Irish people, I'm not picking on
you, Kevin. Italians. Do they

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speak Italian? I would venture to
say very few do. I have tried

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to make sure that both my kids
know our language, which is Urdu,

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but you know they don't they can't
read, they can certainly speak and understand,

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so you know, it's inevitable assimilation
will bring about English will be the

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dominant language. So I've tried to
pick as much of my culture as possible.

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It'll be difficult for Gabriel to speak
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So there's going to be some loss
there one way or the other. Right,

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And there already is His mother initially
tried to teach him a little bit

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Ord and he does understand a few
words. And his father is very cognizant

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of teaching his language, so he
does understand. But now he goes to

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school now at the age of three
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he speaks English. So you're right
there, there is that, there is

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that transition that will happen. And
one other thing, Kevin, there's a

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lot of experiences that people like me
have and some of them are really hilarious

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now that I think about it,
Uh, can I give an example or

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do you want to be We have
plenty of time. So one of the

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examples that I write in the book
and when this happened wasn't funny is I'll

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give you two examples. My wife
when she came over was a teller in

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Dorchester, very Irish down back then. Yeah, and you know she's very

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you know she's there's a lot of
cultural aspects that she's still trying to get

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used to. Two young kids on
a Friday afternoon show up and give her

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a couple of checks, right,
and she says, well, who's Robert,

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who's Richard? And their response was
I'm Bob, I'm Dick, right,

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and she's more confused. So,
you know, it's these little things.

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Right after nine to eleven, I
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travel and the pilot there's nobody on
the plane, maybe six people. The

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pilot comes on says, hey,
guys, I know you're all nervous.

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Ties here in Boston just opened,
but here's a way to relax. Introduce

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yourself to your left, to the
person on your left, the person and

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you're right, Well, there's nobody
on my left. Five rows up.

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There's a lady. So I walk
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and I introduced and I put my
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Joan, for instance, right right, and I grabbed a hand and I

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says high Joan, and I'm Mohammed. And just to look on her face,

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you know, this is a week
after nine and left. Yeah,

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So so it's those kinds of things
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back then you know it's it's a
serious thing. And so those are some

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of the experiences that I have included
in my book. Well, you talk

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about losing culture, right, and
in the book you quote that there were

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sixty seven languages that have been lost
since two thousand and seven, since twenty

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twenty. That's that's almost unthinkable.
It is phenomenal. And what goes when

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a language goes is you know,
people say, well, there's so many

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things to culture. There's language is
just one of them. There's dress,

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and there's dance, there's food.
My feeling is if you lose your language,

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you've really lost a majority of your
culture, you know, because if

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you speak a certain language, you
think differently, you know, I certainly

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do. In One way to really
test which is your dominant language is what

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language do you dream in? And
I'll be very earnest if in fifty percent

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of the time I dream in English
and the other fifty especially if I have

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my parents my dreams, I dream
in Urdu. Yeah, you know,

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yeah, And you know, very
rarely do you get up and remember your

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dreams. But especially when when I
see my parents who are both diseased now

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and I try to remember in in
you and I remember that I've talked in

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my particular language, So languages disappear. A person asked me. He says,

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hey, if if you are so
uh in so fixated on languages,

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how come you didn't write your book
in your own language, which actually is

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a very good question. I speak
and I write my language. But very

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honestly, who would read it?
My children wouldn't, Kevin, I know

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you've been kind enough to buy a
book yourself. You wouldn't read it.

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You know, my book is doing
fairly well, and I dare say everybody

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who's bought very few if any,
would read it if I wrote it.

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An ordu. So we have to
dip our head to what's happening in the

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world. English is being the dominant
language, but it's killing languages left and

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right. Yeah, talk about,
just for a minute, the kind of

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the business of the book. What
was the process of writing it? You

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said it took seven years. Talk
about how much time and commitment you put

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into it, how you structured the
time to make sure you devoted enough time

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and energy to accomplish it, And
talk about the publishing as well. Sure

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most Lycas Kevin. But I also
and after my wife gave me a dressing

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down, I did make it an
to get up a little bit early before

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I started my work there in research
some of the things some chapters like,

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for instance, the historical chapters,
I'd be very honest. Chapter one is

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history. Yeah there was a time
you could tell there was a certain Yeah

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there was there was, but it
was the easier part. Chapter two Israeli

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genealogy. Now that when I talk
about legacy, that's very honestly. You've

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been a good friend to me,
but why would you be interested in my

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genealogy? Right? Chapter two appeals
to a different set the people, maybe

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some people in my grand my children, I will have rights, neither lot

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certain. Chapter two, which is
you need a lot of research, and

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here why those books written by my
ancestors. And I took only a certain

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portion of those appealing And it's a
fast read, so I only took certain

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portions. But to translate those and
I'm lucky enough that I know the less

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language, so I translated, so
that took a lot of time. Chapter

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three is different. Chapter eight is
about today's world, a little bit about

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you know, a prediction and prognosis
about what the future is going to be.

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That was fairly easy. But chapter
two took a long time. Chapter

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six is about my adventures, my
experiences, my trans That took a lot

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of time too, because every time
I was ready to go to a publisher,

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I would say, why do I
just wait six months? Because I

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might have leaded my trip to Greenland. Yeah, so I did have to

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put a stake in the ground.
But those are the things that came in

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my way. Chapter four and five
I talk about what in this country is

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known as the Greatest generation, my
parents' generation. Now they weren't born in

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this country, they didn't even live
here, right, but I talk about

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what they went through when they grew
up, when they were born in the

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twenties, grew up in the thirties, forties, fifties, and World War

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so fourth so yes, I mean
the World War impact a lot of the

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world, those ages or people want
to be So you know how world were

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fact that there was you know,
India was under the British Empire, so

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you had to too and contributed both
financially as well as in terms of you

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know, men who went and fought
soldiers in different countries Egypt and so forth.

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So you know, they went through
a lot. I've tried to capture

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some of the thoughts and processes that
they went through. Some chapters took a

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lot, and just to very quickly
conclude, I was lucky enough. Most

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people are doing self publication. I
chose not to. I said, well,

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let me try, and I was
lucky enough. Two publishers actually showed

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interest in my book. I was
in a fairly difficult position to pick and

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choose, and I finally chose page
publisher who ultimately published my book. And

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that was a lot of back and
forth because you'd send them something they have

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you signed a contract and if you
have to basically do the editorial work,

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and if you c R E instead
of thhe I R it's on us not

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so you know, I had to
read each any scripted this and then I

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selected them cover that you see,
I had to it's intellectual property. I

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had to pay a lot of money
to buy that, but I couldn't think

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of a better way to conceptualize immigration. You know that that cover is actually

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the Fossils of adult and a Child
walking out of Africa, which is where

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we all started from. Right,
we have the book right here carbon date.

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For those that are watching or listening, If you want to go to

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go online and google footprints in Stone, you'll see that image. It's pretty

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pretty cool. Well, let's pause
right there. We're gonna take our second

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break. We'll come back and we'll
have good chunk of time for the conversation.

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A. Sadiki, author of Footprints
in Stone. Uh sorry, I want

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to get that correct where I put
that subtitle A history of immigration. Beg

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your pardon yep um, all right, So there's significance in the title.

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Talk about that. Uh yeah,
Kevin. By the way, I can't

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see myself for you, but that's
okay, I can hear you. The

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significance of the significance of the title
comes from as I said, you know,

408
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I mean when the anthropologist uh Mary
Leaky actually discovered this in Tanzania in

409
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:02.200
the mid seventies and she had them
car and dated and come to find out

410
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.519
that this goes back some you know, three hundred and sixty thousand years.

411
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:11.519
Those footprints are that all they're fossilized
and to me, because we all agree

412
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.480
to the fact that you know,
we started in the region around Ethiopia thereabouts

413
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.640
right and from their humankind has spread
throughout the world. So my thought process

414
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:23.400
was, well, this, these
footprints belong to the earliest immigrants. And

415
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:29.240
you know, there was no better
way to conceptualize the book itself. So

416
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.440
as I said, it's intellectual property. Ad to pay money. But that

417
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.680
was fine. So that's where that
title comes from. In again, these

418
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.480
the adults and the child are seeking
new horizons. They want to find out,

419
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.960
whether it's to seek food or whatever. They want to go beyond the

420
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.039
horizon. And then a few more
miles and a few more miles, and

421
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.119
it ends up in US being in
populating all five, six seven continents.

422
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.160
So that's where the title comes from. Um, I don't know if I

423
00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:02.920
answer your question, but that there
are forty two million roughly immigrants in the

424
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:09.079
US. Correct, yes, yes, and you know they all have a

425
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:13.160
story, trust me. And you
don't even have to be an immigrant.

426
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:17.119
Everybody has a story and you don't
necessarily have to write a book. All

427
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:21.839
I say to people is capture.
So, Kevin, that's a very good

428
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.119
point. I was presenting to the
sons of Italy and this one gentleman said,

429
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:28.160
well, you talk about preserving your
language. And when my parents came

430
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:32.000
over in the sixties, they actually
forbid us to talk in Italian, and

431
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:36.839
they actually they talked amongst themselves,
but only to hide things from us and

432
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.559
stuff like this. Right, so
we lost our language. And I said,

433
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:44.000
that's so interesting. Write an article
so that your children know and realize

434
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:47.720
why you don't speak Italian. Right. But you know, if you ask

435
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:52.119
about, well, who is the
target audience for Footprints in Stone, I

436
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:58.119
would say, and I'm being facetious, but there are forty two million immigrants

437
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.559
in the USA. That's more than
the entire population of Canada. And those

438
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.599
people, you know, can can
certainly buy my book. We should make

439
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.480
it the best seller of all time. But but that's that's a start.

440
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:15.240
And then people who are interested in
history, such as yourself, you ask

441
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.279
these very potent questions which tell me
that you're a student of history. You

442
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:24.400
want to know history beyond the local
or the national history, beyond the boys

443
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:30.079
of the US. So people like
that are also somebody who would find my

444
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:35.119
book interesting. I just find it. I'm just curious. And one of

445
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.799
those curiosities is how do we so
assimilation is valuable? I'll ask you in

446
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:45.599
a moment about the pros and cons, right, but how do we maintain

447
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:53.680
some of that culture while assimilating our
new country. Yeah, so, Kevin,

448
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:57.519
I make it a point, you
know, if there's this is the

449
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.160
month of Ramazan, and very quickly
you know it's the is the full fasting

450
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:05.559
month for the thirty days that Muslims
go through. Right, But I have

451
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.679
a surgery coming up, so my
doctor gave me special dispensation. I'm not

452
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:14.880
fasting, but you know what I
try to do. So the end of

453
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:19.079
the month of fasting, there is
Muslims just have two festivals, so one

454
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.480
comes at the end of the thirty
days of fasting. I make it a

455
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.639
point to wear my traditional clothes because
otherwise I'd be in a pant and a

456
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.440
shirt and I'd be like everybody else
on the street. So I want to

457
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:36.760
inculcate that sense of belonging to a
certain identity. Not so much my children

458
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:38.159
are, you know. I mean
my daughter is going to turn forty this

459
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:42.280
year and my son is even older. But for my grandson, so that

460
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.320
he at least understands. So that's
a now at the same token, By

461
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.840
the same time, at the same
time, you have to make a living

462
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:54.280
in this country, so you got
to assimilate. You got to you know,

463
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:58.480
in the business world, you got
to make a separation in the business

464
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.880
world where you have to be be
like them, speak like them, behave

465
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.679
like them. But in your private
world you can certainly maintain some of your

466
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.119
culture or some of the things you've
learned as as a child. That's what

467
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:15.559
you know, I've tried to do. So there's a balance there. Yeah,

468
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.360
there is a balance and not it's
easier said than done. A not

469
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.360
Kevin. I know, after nine
to eleven, a lot of people even

470
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:24.840
change their name, you know,
if it was Muhammad, they became Mike

471
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:28.719
and all this. And I was
insistent, you know, I said,

472
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.719
no, that's not something that I'm
going to walk away from. I am

473
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.719
who I am, right right,
So so there are things. It's a

474
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:38.119
balance. It's easier said some people
can achieve a balance. And I'm sure

475
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:43.079
some people will look at me and
say, well, he's he's too Americanized.

476
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.320
Well, you live in this country, you have to be. But

477
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.360
you know, to me, I
try to maintain a balance, which is

478
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.119
easier said than done. But yes, it's all about maintaining a balance.

479
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:57.840
Yeah, I wasn't aware that people
were changing their names. Uh, you

480
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.400
know some of those folks were born
here. I mean you're man, I've

481
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.199
been born here, but you're as
American. I consider you as American as

482
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:07.679
I am. You know you've been
here for forever. Yes, almost not

483
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.920
quite as old as the footprint stone
in stone on the cover, but just

484
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:16.000
twenty three, just twenty three years
old, Kevin. That's incredible, that's

485
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:23.159
incredible. Um, So let's talk
about culture, right, some of the

486
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:28.360
aspects you've you've kept her, You've
kept some clothing, you certainly probably eat

487
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:32.920
good food. Um, you've kept
the language you and Daisy. What else

488
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:39.800
have you or would you recommend other
families do well? These days? I

489
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:45.559
mean, the US is incredible in
that it allows for people like myself to

490
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:51.440
have their identities. So there's there's
all kinds of clubs, right, there's

491
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:55.079
a Croatian club. There's Croatian food. I mean you go to even something

492
00:36:55.480 --> 00:37:00.559
as Ancius as a market basket,
they have a section on Bosnian food,

493
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.679
on Croatian food, on Serbian food, so that is very helpful. And

494
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.159
there are people, there are clubs. Actually, I mean I mentioned one

495
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:13.440
as Sons of Italy so you got
to sort of assimilate with these people.

496
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:19.039
Wednesday nights. There's a club in
Boston. Now I don't go as often

497
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.880
as physically go there, but I
zoom in into those calls because they talk

498
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.079
about what's happening in India today,
right, I mean that the political climate

499
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:31.880
and stuff like this. So people
should should develop an interest. Don't walk

500
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:37.400
away from you know, the country
of probably your country or the country your

501
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:43.119
parents were born in. Maintain that
link and so that and it's easy,

502
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:49.360
it's not that difficult. There are
clubs that there are organizations that that help

503
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:54.400
you keep in touch with your heritage. So I was fascinated. The part

504
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.920
of the book that fascinated me,
and I didn't read every detail, but

505
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.400
I did look at the charts,
etc. Is some of the genealogy,

506
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:07.239
which you said would be less interesting
to other people. Perhaps your family had

507
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:15.400
been really a lot of people in
very important times in history right in India.

508
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.880
Can you talk about a few of
those? Sure? Both my grandfathers,

509
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.760
so my father's father actually worked for
the Nizam of Hitherabad. In nineteen

510
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:28.239
twenty eight, Time magazine called this
guy. Nizam is another word for king

511
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.639
of the state of Hydrobiad, which
in today's terms was as big geographically as

512
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:37.159
the current country of Italy, right
in the center of India. In Time

513
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.840
magazine of nineteen twenty eight called him
the richest man in the world. And

514
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:45.440
my grandfather was certainly not royal blood, but was a high level administrator with

515
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:50.039
the Nizam. And so there's a
lot of pictures I've included because I talk

516
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:53.280
about culture, right, those dresses, those languages, the way people dressed,

517
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:59.360
the way they behaved in front of
the king is gone forever, even

518
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:01.880
though it's only a hundred years old. The same thing. My mother's father

519
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:07.199
actually worked for the Nizam Ad I'm
much lad there's a big age difference between

520
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.039
the two of them. They never
knew each other. But by this time

521
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:14.760
India had taken over the state of
Hydrobad it had become part of India.

522
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:20.360
And now my mother's father was walking
a tight rope because he still had to

523
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.119
have the Nizam has his boss.
But actually the Nizam's boss was the Government

524
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:28.719
of India, So you know,
walking that tight rope and just managing the

525
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:34.840
politics of that time, which must
have been pretty daunting. But but he

526
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:38.480
managed in you know, so in
their children, which is my father and

527
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:44.840
my mother probably saw that and assimilated
that and adapted. So change happens to

528
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:49.880
everybody, right, how you adapt
to it is something you know that we

529
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:54.280
all have to adapt to it.
So there's a mix of there's a mix

530
00:39:54.320 --> 00:40:00.960
of you know, Indians English.
There's a picture here where two people,

531
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:02.960
I mean, I just lost the
page. I'm just filling back to the

532
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:08.199
great radio right, Aga Khan the
third and his wife visit in his arm

533
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:13.880
They're dressed in very western clothing of
the time. It was nineteen eleven.

534
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.960
It looked like they're I would say
they're British if I didn't read the caption.

535
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.639
And you know, that's a very
good example that you chose. He

536
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:28.159
the Agra Khan was actually born in
Karachi, Pakistan, but moved to France

537
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.480
and you know, became the owner
of race horses, very very very rich

538
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:36.719
man and adopted the English, the
British. He was married several times and

539
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:40.320
always to European women. So that's
what I mean, is like, no,

540
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.239
I'm not saying he gave up his
religion or something, but in that

541
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.119
picture, except for him and his
British wife, everybody is dressed in that

542
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:52.920
tradition, in the traditional clothes,
except for him in something very interesting when

543
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:59.400
the Bosnia situation happened, the Bosnians, you know, the Muslims here helped

544
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.360
Bosnia come over. They came over
and they used to pray at the local

545
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:06.360
mosque and all this. But it's
so interesting. You know, right after

546
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.280
the priss they'd all go outside in
the black leather jackets and and you could

547
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:14.079
tell where they were standing because they
would all smoke and with you know,

548
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.360
they were all standing under this little
cloud of smoke. So you know,

549
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:21.280
you and that's fine if that's how
you wear a black leather jacket, at

550
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:25.800
least maintain that. But yes,
very pointed question about the other He obviously

551
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:36.159
was more interested in the Western culture
than his own. The name Khan,

552
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.760
of course we hear I think of
Genghis Khan. Is that a Is that

553
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:45.599
a talk about that name? That
that surname? So so Han is you

554
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:57.960
know it comes from um Han actually
is uh. That's the best way to

555
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.639
say this. It's it's a royal
title. Han means somebody who's high up.

556
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.280
But people have adopted the name,
so you could be Kevin Hallen and

557
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:13.119
but you know, you could adopt
the name Kevin hahn In In a lot

558
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:17.679
of Indian Bollywood actors you will notice
have that last name. They were not

559
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:24.280
all born Hans, right took that
name on as as a prestigious title,

560
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:29.639
if you will. Some of them
are, especially the Patans of northwest India

561
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:32.519
are Hans. Are the true Hans, the Patans, you know, that's

562
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:38.840
a tribe in Pakistan. But outside
of that very I'd say not too many

563
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:44.280
people are born with that name,
but they adopt those names. So it's

564
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.840
pretty fascinating. Some nice, kind
of cute pictures of you, one one

565
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.559
touching one with your grandfather, Um
where you were forced to wear the topi

566
00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:00.480
which is the hat right exactly in
a scowl on my face says it all

567
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:02.800
because I did not want to wear
it. But I so clearly remember even

568
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.480
at that age, he wanted a
formal picture and he was probably the age

569
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:08.800
that I'm at now, and he
says, no, this is a formal

570
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:13.199
picture and you will wear the topie. I wasn't too thrilled, but the

571
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.960
scal in my fist says at all, but I had to wear it.

572
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:20.039
Looking back, you know he did
the right thing. I mean I can

573
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.000
look and say that, hey,
that's how you dressed. We're supposed to

574
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:29.119
dress and yes, various student,
various student picking that one out. And

575
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.679
then there are a couple of pictures
from nineteen forty and nineteen fifty six.

576
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:40.119
Two of your namesakes. You're their
namesake, Mohammed Imad ud Dean and I'm

577
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:47.360
at Udin Sadiki, very western clothing, yes, Kevin and u Ammad Udin

578
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:53.239
is my dad and Imad is his
older brother. And again, you know

579
00:43:53.360 --> 00:44:00.239
these people the British had left,
so you had to be very British your

580
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.800
orientation, right, not my grandfather's
now I'm talking about my father and my

581
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.599
uncles and so forth. Right,
So you had to assimilate in and and

582
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.199
you know, they pretty much gave
up the sherwani, which is the traditional

583
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:15.320
uh hyd their body dress if you
will. Uh. And they had to

584
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.679
adapt. And then soon thereafter when
the British left in the Government of India

585
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.800
took over. So you know,
I mean they had to adopt and they

586
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:27.719
had to adapt uh in where those
those kind of clothes. Uh. And

587
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:32.159
most people actually just walked away from
from the traditional clothes and uh. And

588
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:37.079
you're right, did those you know, my dad and uh and Um his

589
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:40.840
older brother did. All right,
a couple more questions here. The name

590
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.400
Fatima or Fatima has a lot of
significance. I know of a couple of

591
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:50.840
people actually with that first name.
What is the significance of that first name?

592
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.840
You you know you really went through
that book? I did so so

593
00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:00.079
well. Well, you know,
I mean the three monetistic religions, you

594
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:05.559
know, Judaism Christianity in Islam come
from one another, Judaism first, Christianity

595
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:12.760
after that and about fifteen hundred years
ago Islam and Jesus is mentioned in the

596
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:16.079
Hohorran, Islam's holy book twenty eight
times, where the prophet Muhammad is only

597
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:22.599
mentioned twice and only as the messenger. So we take Jesus as a prophet

598
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:27.719
for Muslims. Right, So Fatimah, which is you know, Mary's name.

599
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.159
There's a whole chapter by the way, on Mary in the Hurran.

600
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:38.679
So Fatima is another name for mother
Mary. And you know most girls are

601
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:45.320
named like my mother's middle name was
Fatima. And yes, you'll find a

602
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.920
lot of those names again, you
know, based on the religious aspects.

603
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.039
All right, last question before we're
done it. We're almost out of time,

604
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.519
believe it or not. Is I
want you to talk to people and

605
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:59.480
this will it's gonna be hard to
do in about a minute. But what

606
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:06.599
was it like to climb Kilimanjaro?
Cold in nothing but nothing but misery?

607
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.360
And Kevin, this is only twenty
thousand feet imagine doing. Somebody asked me,

608
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:14.920
do you want to do Everest in? My answer was an emphatic no.

609
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:21.559
The difference between boys and men Kilimanjaro
boys, Everest men. So that's

610
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:25.360
my short answer. It was cold
and miserable, but so glad to when

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you submit any of these mountains.
The feeling you get, the fourier jumping

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out of a plane, they just, you know, just indescribable. So

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it was a lot of fun,
a lot of preparation, and a lot

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of misery go along with it.
Well, that's fascinating. I know I've

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talked to you about that before.
I just wanted others to hear that we

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are sadly out of time, believe
it or not. What is the best

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way for people to reach out to
you if they've got questions or where can

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they find the book? Also,
it's available on Amazon, on Bonds and

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Noble. They just have to,
you know, use my name, or

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just go into the book title of
the book type that also on Apple,

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iTunes, in Google Play, so
you know, a hard copy, paperback

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e versions whatever you want on Amazon, in Bonds and Noble in those other

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places. Or call me. Okay, what's your phone number? What's your

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phone number? Sure five, should
have put that in the crawl. Sorry

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my fault. No, that's fine, Kevin. I'll give it now.

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Five zero eight six five four eight
zero four four One more time five zero

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eight six five four eight zero four
four. Well, this has been fun

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for me personally, hope it's been
entertaining for listeners and viewers. Thank you

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so much for being here. I
know you're super busy. Thanks for taking

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the time. Thank you, Kevin, take care you got it, and

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thank you everybody for watching and listening. This is a show often about business

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and business challenges. If you've got
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LinkedIn at Winning Business Radio. You
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money and easy email addresses Kevin at
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achievers and sales leaders into true coaches
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everybody, but hey, maybe we
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well done to producer and engineer one
for another great job. Be sure to

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join us next week that's Monday,
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carried Garbs, founder and CEO of
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time. Be sure to join us. Until then, this is Kevin Helenan.

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