April 21, 2025

John Cady, author of the Young Adult urban fantasy novel series “Angela of Death"

John Cady, author of the Young Adult urban fantasy novel series “Angela of Death"

John Cady is the author of several books including the Young Adult urban fantasy novel series “Angela of Death”. John's full-time job is teaching English Language Arts to juvenile offenders.
John's other stories can be found in multiple anthologies,...

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John Cady is the author of several books including the Young Adult urban fantasy novel series “Angela of Death”. John's full-time job is teaching English Language Arts to juvenile offenders.
John's other stories can be found in multiple anthologies, including "After the Kool Aid Is Gone", "It’s All Fun and Games Until Somebody Dies", "ABCs of Terror" Volume 3, and "The Dire Circle".
His debut middle grade horror novella Attack of the 3-D Zombies was published in January of 2022.

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others consultants, coaches, advisors. Today our guests is an author,

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founders and owners, entrepreneurs, people with expertise. But you know,

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virtually every successful person that I've ever had a chance

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to talk to has said some form of failure in

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their lives and careers. So, like I say, we all

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have to get our knees skinned once in a while,

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I'm driven to keep those scrapes from needing major surgery.

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Let's endeavor to learn from history so we don't repeat it.

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I've spent the better part of my career equipping businesses

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to grow from solopreneurs to small and medium sized businesses

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all the way up to the Fortune fifty, and I've

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seen some of those companies win to varying degrees. I've

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seen some fail individuals as well. I've had the opportunity

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to rub elbows with some of the highest performing people

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around and with some who probably should have found other professions.

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In my own businesses, I've had lots of success and

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some failures too. I like to think I've learned a

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lot from those experiences. So you're going to hear from

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me my opinions and insights, because anybody who knows me,

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John will tell you that I sometimes have a hard

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time being quiet. And we're not going to talk Celtics today,

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even though we're in a Red Sox polo in your honor, John.

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But more importantly, today we're going to hear from experts,

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those consultants, coaches, advisors, author John today, founders and owners

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and entrepreneurs. So today my guest is longtime friend John Katie.

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He's the author of several books, including the young adult

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urban fantasy novel series Angela of Death. He was born

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and raised in Massachusetts. When he's not busy teaching the

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English language arts to juvenile offenders, he's making memories with

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his family and entertaining readers with his stories. These stories

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can be found in multiple anthologies including After the Coop

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Is Gone, It's Fun Too, It's All Fun and Games

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until Somebody Dies. I Love that one. ABC's of Terror

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Volume three, and The Dire Circle. His debut middle grade

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horror novella, Attack of the Three d Zombies, was published

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in January of twenty twenty two. His outbreak young adult

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urban fantasy trilogy, The Angela of Death Trilogy, is available

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to the public on Amazon and wherever books are sold.

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He lives in southeastern mass with his wife, Missy, daughter Abby,

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and son John John. Welcome to Winning Business Radio. So

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cool to have you here.

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Thank you very much. It's great to be here.

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Yeah, it's fun when you're I mean, my wife's been

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reading your book, says I think you know. And when

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the third one, I see that, the second of the

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third Angel of Death book came out, I said to

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get on the radio. So we reached out and we

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made that happen. And uh, I've got all three books

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right here. I'll hand them. I'll show them up. Thank

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you for in a moment or at some point on

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the show. But check this one out.

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Oh that's old school. You're going way back now.

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This is old school. This is this is a paperback.

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Is this the first book?

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Yeah, that's the first one I ever wrote that was

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I self published that.

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One that I was that I thought, so we'll get

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to that, but I just thought it'd be fun to

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show you that. Yeah, all right, So tell us about

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Missy and your kids for the audience.

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Oh, they're they're wonderful, so uh, missus, all three of them.

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At the risk of sounding like not too Jimmy Stewart like,

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with them, I everything like the other reason that I

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do everything, the other reason I go to bed happy

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and I wake up smiling. Yeah, even if I only

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got like four hours of sleep, but that's because of

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the pets we have. They wake me up in the

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middle of the night.

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Pets.

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We have a dog and a cat that they're as

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bad as like when when we had, like if we

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had an infant, like they have to get They wake

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me up that often.

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So oh man.

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But other than that, I'm always smiling. Missing the kids

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had me smiling. That's just one of wonderful people.

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I've learned a lot. I've learned a lot from all

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all three of them.

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I keep learning.

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All right, tell us about your background. First, where do

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what town in Massachusetts did you grow up in?

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I grew up in Easton, Massachusetts.

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Okay, so tell the audiences about Easton.

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So it's a it's a small town, and it's everything

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about it has that small town failed. So it's one

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of those things where like, for instance, my son when

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he gets home from school, he gets on his bike,

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grabs his fishing rod and goes out and meets his

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friends and goes to whatever pond, and it's like it's

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that kind of town where you're not worried about him, like,

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you know, you're not worried about a lot of traffic

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even from cars, or you're not worried about a lot

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of you know, any him wandering into any areas that

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he shouldn't perhaps be in. So it was like one

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of those Andy Griffith type small towns where you're just

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like it's it's quiet and that's how we like it,

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you know. But other than that, it's just it was

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a good time. I grew up here, and then I

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was fortunate enough to buy my boyhood.

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Home from my parents.

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So nice. Yeah. So now like now we're making memories,

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we're making the same memories about our kids that my

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parents made from me.

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Yeah, it's awesome technology give us thirty seconds of history

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because it is interesting to me anyway. On Easton.

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Uh, all right, so we call we called the shovel

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Town and a big part of that is the aim

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shovels were used for the trans Continental Railroad like that,

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I which I didn't actually as embarrassing as it is,

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I didn't know that until about five years ago.

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And then I'm like, whoa, okay, everything everything in that

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area is named after Ames Rights High School, Ames Library.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's just that family. It seemed like

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it was. It was just like even their their mansions

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are still in town. And like John Ryan, he goes

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fishing at the Ames of State, the governor Aims of State.

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So it's one of those things, the names everywhere, but

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it's you know, they put out good products.

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What were your early interests like in or and then

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just after high school?

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Say, well, I always so. I always liked creative writing

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to a point I mostly wanted to write be writing movies.

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So eventually I went when I went to Manhattan College,

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I first started majoring in education because I was gonna

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be a teacher, following my parents' footsteps. And then you know,

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the more I realized they had a film school there,

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I was like, oh, I had a friend that was

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doing the film school stuff, and I'm like, I kind

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of want to write movies.

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I want to be a screenwriter. So I made that

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call to dad.

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I was like, hey, do you think I'm thinking of

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maybe switching from being a teacher to going into like film,

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which that could have come back and me any number

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of ways. But luckily my parents are I've been blessed.

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They're very supportive. And he said, that's very hard to

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go with that. So I want you, he says, cause

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you're going to put out the best product. Are you

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going to put out your best work where your heart is?

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So I said, all right, well I'm going for it. Then,

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so and so I wrote, you know, I took a

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bunch of screenwriting classes and I loved it.

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I loved telling stories.

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I love writing stories, and so I stuck with that

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for a while. And then even when I graduated, I

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was just had a regular nine to five job, but

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I was sitting there trying to sell my screenplays and

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nothing ever took, like they all made their way to

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the circular file, which you know, the trash. So it's

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kind of humbling with one of those things. I'm like,

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I thought I was like this great writer you this

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great screen, right, and then meanwhile, I'm like seeing like

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movie posters or carrot top movies and stuff, so collecting

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dust if that. And so I made the switch to

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I said, I'll try writing books. Then at least then

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I'll get people reading them. You know, people will read something.

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So that's basically that's where the journeys started.

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What were your early jobs? Manhattan College, by the way,

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what made you choose that school?

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I honestly wanted to go to New York City and

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wanted to live in New York City, and then so

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we went out there to visit the school after after

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I had been accepted. I probably should have looked at

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the address of where the school was because it's in

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the Bronx is not really in Manhattan. So I'm like

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false advertising, like hundreds of years. It's been around one

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hundreds of years fallse advertising, but it was. But I

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loved it anyways, and so that's what brought me out there.

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I just wanted to want to be I love Boston,

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but I wanted I really wanted to be in New

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York City.

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Not for the sports teams.

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But yeah, yeah, well we'd have to disown you.

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Yeah, just for the experience, then the experience of living there.

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Like we love our New York friends, but we you know,

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we can root against their teams exactly right. So what

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kind of early jobs did you have?

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Oh? Well, so I used to.

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It was a time I delivered appliances for a company

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that that called north Go.

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That was that was a good time. I did that

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with my one of my best friends.

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Like we could have we could.

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Have been doing ever. We were laughing every day and

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delivering them, you.

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Know, just we did our job well and we were

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always having a good time. And then I, uh, let's

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see stock shelves for a while at a at a

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liquor store that he managed, which you know, we stuck together.

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Were kind of like the Blues Brothers for a while there,

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but we were employed. And then I and then eventually I, uh,

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you know, I just couldn't. I tried selling kitchens for

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a while, which it was one of those things where

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I had asked a friend, a good friend of mine

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who got me to know he said, I said, talk

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to me on like computer like eight hours a day

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because I'm really not tech savvy. And he's like, oh no,

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you won't know, you won't And then I get there

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and I'm on computer like from minute one to minute

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at the end of the day, and I'm.

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tech savvy as my job like that required. And then

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my father, who was my Both my parents had been teaching.

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So my father finally said, why's she just try teaching?

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You have the personality to be a teacher. You love

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learning and you love you know, empowering wisdom on the

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younger dinner. And so he's like, you're literally designed for teaching.

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So I said, all right, so and I went. You know,

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so it's one of those things where I'm like, I

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do enjoy this, even the little moments where when you're

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a sub, they don't really need you teaching them too much,

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but you know, because it's just like hand out this

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work and then they'll do it blah blah. But the

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times when the kids actually.

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Yeah, the times yeah, exactly rolled in the character you know,

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but the times when the when the kids had questions,

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I was loving it. I was like, oh this is great,

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this is you know, and I just kept coming back

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to that. So finally I said, well, I might as

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well taking a step further again my teaching license instead

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of just being a building slub. And so that's where

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took off teaching English. Got in New Bedford for three

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years teaching English, and then I got a job which

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I don't even and the finally thing I don't even

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recall replying applying for this job, but I got a

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job teaching for the Department of Youth Services, which is

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they're incarcerated.

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You all right, pause on that. We're going to come

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back to that. No matter what was it like to

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get the teaching license.

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It took me. It took me nine times to take

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the test before I passed it. Yep, nine times, So

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I would like the Rocky of the English of the

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English test, but yeah, it took me nine times. So

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that was that was one of those I'm not going

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to give up on it. I'm just going to keep going.

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Don't get it?

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And did you go up the when you finally took

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past it? Did you go up like the three steps

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to your front door and do the oh.

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but I did it anyway. What's this limited doing? So?

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What prepared you most? This will be the last question

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before the break, first break? What do you think prepared

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you most to teach incarcerated kids?

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Just having a It's one of those things, just having

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a heart for everyone like this. I always it's one

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of those things where there's no bad kids, there's choice

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of you know, poor choice.

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I always tell my kids at home, I said, they're

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just like you. They just you know, but in the

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race of life, they have a cinder block tied to

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one of their legs, and I just want to help

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them un tie.

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So that's kind of what drives me.

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We're back with John Katie, author of many many stories

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and books, and the series we're talking about now is

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Angela of Death the trilogy. Before we get to that,

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of course, I want to ask more about the Days program.

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Tell us about the program. It's for obviously incarcerated students.

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They made a bad decision. How long are they there for?

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Give us just a background thumbnail of the program them.

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Okay, so I work in the detention aspect of but

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one of the detention programs. So my students, they've been

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arrested for crimes, they've been allegedly committed and they're awaiting trial,

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So it could be yeah, some of them have been there,

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you know quite you know, it could be upwards every

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year or longer. Some kids they could be there two days.

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So it's so far, it's so over the map, you know,

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all the way across the board.

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That you know, on average probably maybe three months.

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So my question is, how do you teach English to

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someone who may only be there three months? How do

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you know where you're starting? And do you plug kids

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into an ongoing program?

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So if if say we're reading a novel, so i'll

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i'll I try to keep it the short stories or

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shorter works, just so you know, it's easier to catch

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them up or they can pick it up. You know,

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a short story you could knock out two days. So

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basically I try to keep bit to those shorter books.

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But sometimes if we're reading the novel that the kids

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are getting into, I'll just I'll have the other kids

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and it's also a good way to see how much

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state is comprehended. I'll have them catch the new students

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up on what's been going on in the book.

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That's cool.

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Certain books has easy to do with, you know, certain books,

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you know as long as they point out the major

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the major events and whatnot and the major characters, whatever

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can catch the kid. It's almost like I always joke

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with him and I'm like, if it's a new kid,

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I'll say we're reading of mice men. I'll say previously

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on advice and men. And then I'll have one of

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my students like, what's been happening?

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So, yeah, and you've been there for how long?

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This is my seventeenth year.

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Well, yeah, I've known you for a long. Somebody I

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didn't know you saw there that long. That's awesome.

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Yeah, And like I said, I I don't even my supervisors.

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She's still rasping me every now and then because I

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admite it in the interview.

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I literally said, you know, I don't remember applying for this, but.

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It was like, you know, I got it. I got

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in there, and I thought it was like an alter

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I knew it was an alternative school. I knew it

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was in regular public school. But then all of a sudden,

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like the gates of the slamm and shut behind me,

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and I'm like, where am I? And then I see

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this kid returning from court who had like the cuffs on,

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and I'm like, okay, where am I? What is this? Like,

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I literally didn't know what this was. And I'm like,

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I need a job, though, you know, the thing where

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I want to teach, and and you know, I'm going

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to teach wherever I can teach. I'm and so you know,

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that was one of the goods. She said, you look confused.

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It was near the end of that she did any questions.

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I'm like, no, no, quite, I just don't recall, you know,

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applying for this.

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But you know, maybe you didn't know. Maybe you didn't recall that. Sorry,

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maybe you didn't recall accepting the job either. Seventeen years later, yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, but now it's one of those things once you

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get used to it, it's such a you feel great

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at the end of every day. Like when when these

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kids get like a good grade they learned. I don't

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give generous grade, Like when they get a grade they earned,

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their face first it's surprise, and then it's like they

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face lights up and I'm like, I don't even know

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how many people get to see this side of them,

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So I'm blessed that I get to see this side

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of them.

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Yeah, how what's your teaching schedule?

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Tip? It like same uh, same hours pretty much as

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as public schools. So we I get there at seven

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point thirty, I leave at three thirty at the end

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of the day.

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And it's it's one of those things.

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We follow all the same frameworks and standards that public

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school has to that way, like when they leave us,

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you know, providing they're not you know, committed, you know,

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for a longer stay. When they leave us, they can

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literally kind of plug themselves right back into whatever high

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school they were in because we're following the same curriculum

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and standards. Oh that's cool, Well, the same framework and

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standards necessarily the same curriculum.

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And you have various classes during the day, just like well.

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For example, I teach English language, arts and reading.

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Yeah, okay, what's the toughest part of your job?

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The toughest part of my job is sometimes, you know, honestly,

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it's hearing some of the kids. They they'll talk about

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their life outside of you know, clad outside of where

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we are, which you know, it's good for them to

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get it off their chest and talk to other kids

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about it, but sometimes the stories are the heartbreaking. Like

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it's one of those it's not even culture shock, it's

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one of those oh man, no, that's I'm sorry, you know,

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and I'm sorry that happened. And then it's so certain

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moments like that where I realized I've been you know,

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I've had great upbringing, I've been blessed, and it's one

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of those things where not everyone's got that same deal,

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you know, you know, that same fair deal. So it's

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one of those things where that's difficult sometimes and then

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it's other than that, it's just sometimes they'll come in

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it's hard to it's hard to keep them focused on

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the on the task at hand. When they're worried about

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am I going to get out? It might quite be?

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Am I going to know?

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This?

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Sad nailing? They have a whole set of concerns that

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I never had I don't have now, and I especially

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didn't have it their age, Like, I don't know how

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I would have handled it there age You probably wouldn't

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have gotten me focused too much on my work if

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I have going on.

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Their age ranges for the audience.

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The youngest I've had is fourteen, the oldest I've had

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is all the way up to like twenty one.

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Literally, what's it will give us? Just one? I'm going

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to ask you the best part, But what give us

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just one challenging situation and then we then I want

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you to talk about the best part of your job,

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more than you said about the recognition of the grades

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and the smiles and everything.

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One challenge situation. Sometimes there's just not enough time in

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the day for all that we want to do. So

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because we so on top of the top of tea

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just teaching, I'm also what's what's known as a teaching

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coordinator there. So every program has kind of their like

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their principal. It's then not called principles, but they teach

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coordinators because they're really like we're the supervisor to like

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whatever teachers are on our pro at our program, like

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three teacher program I have, so I'm the supervisor there.

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But also I like so I handle all the admin

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stuff like the transcripts and any any testing assessments that

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we have to uh have to have to give the kids. Yeah,

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well I don't always give the m cast, like someone

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will come to give the m cast, but there's other

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assessments that I got to give, So we got to

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give those on top of the teaching, which I don't.

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I don't complain about it, you know, you know, not

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even to myself, what to my wife, But because it's

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one of those things where the more we can give

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these kids, the better, And I'm glad we can give

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them more.

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You know, it's just what you know.

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Sometimes it's you know, you're you wait, like I said,

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you wish there were more hours in the day so

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you could do more for them.

465
00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:44.920
So that's that's a.

466
00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:45.799
Challenge, all right.

467
00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:48.799
Now, tell us the best part of the job, the best.

468
00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:53.400
Part of the job is is just like I was saying,

469
00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:56.279
when they get good see actually say no, I was

470
00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:58.319
gonna say when they get good grades, but just seeing

471
00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.359
them shine, and is that not everyone gets to see

472
00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:03.519
like a lot of a lot of these kids, society

473
00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:06.440
has already written them off. And then sometimes when they

474
00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:08.799
see that society's written them off, they write themselves off.

475
00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:11.480
So it's one of those things. They're in a it's

476
00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:14.279
in a tough cycle. And so when I get to

477
00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:17.880
see them, like rooting other kids on to read and

478
00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:19.759
all like that was one thing. One time there was

479
00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:21.640
a kid who didn't read at all, but all of us, uh,

480
00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.240
all of his classmate people were rooting them on to read.

481
00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:26.799
And when they were stumbling.

482
00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:28.119
Over words, they were helping them with the words, and

483
00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:30.720
that is they didn't have to do that, like they

484
00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:33.039
never have to do that. But it's one of those

485
00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:35.480
things where when I get to see that, and it

486
00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:38.400
does happen a few times a week, stuff, not necessarily

487
00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.160
that specific thing, but things like that, I.

488
00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:43.279
Was like, oh, I wish everyone could see this. This

489
00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:45.720
is what I get to see, you know, because and.

490
00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.640
Now it's whenever I see, you know, things on the

491
00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.839
news where you know, someone said, get arrested or for something,

492
00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:56.880
you know, I do well. If it's a young kid,

493
00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:59.119
I do worry about them, even though they made a

494
00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:01.519
bad choice. I got home make excuses for their choice,

495
00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:03.759
and nor do they. But you know, it's one of

496
00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:06.200
those things where you know half the time, if it's

497
00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:08.559
the teenager, I know where they're headed. And I hope

498
00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:12.000
and I hope that whoever they heading to care as

499
00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:13.759
much about their job as I do, which I'm sure

500
00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:15.480
they do. A lot of the teachers for the US

501
00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.759
definitely care about their job or you.

502
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:21.759
Know, or find another job. Right In other words, they're

503
00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:25.960
there for a reason. Yeah, yeah, when did you know

504
00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.759
you wanted to be I don't know if the word

505
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:32.880
is novelist I'll say writer, but more than a screenwriter, more.

506
00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:36.680
Than a screenwriters. When I wasn't telling any screenplays.

507
00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:38.359
You still you still had a passion to write.

508
00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:41.720
Oh yeah, I love telling stories. And even though first

509
00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.880
I like the book the book that's Staying up to

510
00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:47.279
for Miss Jones, that book there's a lot it's heavy

511
00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:49.440
on the dialogue because I was coming fresh off of

512
00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:52.759
writing screenplays. Yeah, but I've always wanted to tell like

513
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.799
stories like that, and I wanted to write the movies.

514
00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:57.680
And maybe someday we'll get back to writing a movie

515
00:23:57.680 --> 00:23:59.359
if they want, if they know, or if they ever

516
00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:00.000
want to make a movie.

517
00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:01.200
You have like the Angel of Death.

518
00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:03.400
Books, I would yeah, like right now, I could see that.

519
00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:05.599
I could see that. Where did you get the idea

520
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.839
for staying after from Miss Jones that I.

521
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.359
Was trying to write cat So before I wrote anything

522
00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:14.839
fantasy wise or anything, I was trying to write the

523
00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:17.440
next Catcher in the Rye. So Catcher in the Rye

524
00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:21.279
is a book I read probably like fourteen fifteen times. Yeah,

525
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:23.559
I've been chasing that book trying to write like that.

526
00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:26.759
I could have a write in that style or in

527
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.960
that voice, then it's that's what I've been searching for

528
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.200
all these days. So that was my attempt at that.

529
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:36.119
And I also tried to I tried to write a new,

530
00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:38.440
different style of writing that I hadn't seen before for

531
00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:40.720
that book. So if you ever opened that book, like

532
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.200
it's written from I believe this three so far long

533
00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:45.680
ago now.

534
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.200
But uh voices there at least three or four different

535
00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:50.000
voices meeting yeah characters.

536
00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:51.839
Yeah, in that book, the streetom characters.

537
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.880
And I wanted a story that like just went all

538
00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:57.559
the way through one continuous thing, like almost like a

539
00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:01.440
relay race of narrators. I Uh so I did that

540
00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:02.880
and then I was like, oh, that was kind of

541
00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:05.599
fun right in that way. And so that's kind of

542
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:07.640
how the Angel Angel of That ones are written too,

543
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:09.720
Like I wrote it in that style. But yeah, so

544
00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:13.519
the stand aufter for Miss Jones, that was me. That

545
00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:16.680
was me trying to write My Catcher in the Rye,

546
00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:19.880
And that was me trying to and trying trying something

547
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:22.680
new with like a different way of writing books, hoping

548
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.200
hoping that would take off. Which funny thing about that is,

549
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.000
so I had self published that and then I had

550
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.880
it had it on Amazon, but then I eventually took

551
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.079
it off Amazon and tried to shop it around to

552
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:37.759
agents again and an agent wanted it, and so I

553
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.240
was all excited and so uh and so she and

554
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.400
she had represented people that like she represented the guy

555
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:45.200
who wrote holes.

556
00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:46.799
Oh wow yeah.

557
00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:48.880
So I was like, oh, this could really happen. And

558
00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:51.680
then all of a sudden, she said, now is this first?

559
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:53.960
Uh you have first right, so you know, have you?

560
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:55.839
And I'm like, oh, well, yeah, I just I self

561
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:58.119
published on Amazon. Then I but I took it off.

562
00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:00.519
You know, it's exclusive rights, and I took it off,

563
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.480
so it's you know, it's my right. And she goes, oh,

564
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:04.359
well we can't do anything with that. No one's going

565
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:08.559
to take that. And I'm like, oh, so what's memory. Yeah,

566
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:11.400
So from that day for never again. That's one of

567
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.160
the things I learned in business, business wise, on the

568
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.720
business end of the writing. I'm never doing that again.

569
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.880
Not there's nothing wrong with self publishing. There's nothing wrong

570
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:21.960
with at all with it. That's the route you want

571
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:26.039
to go. But in this instance it cost me. Who

572
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:27.079
knows what you know?

573
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:29.079
So what is what happened? Legally?

574
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:32.519
So they just the agent claimed, She's like, well, no

575
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.920
publisher's going to take it on now because they won't

576
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.039
have first rights to it because like Amazon or create Space,

577
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:39.599
whoever it was that I that.

578
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:40.519
I had done with it.

579
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:41.759
They she said, they have.

580
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.200
First right, so they could still retain rights to it. Yeah,

581
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.279
so I'm like that makes sense.

582
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:47.240
I'm like all right.

583
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.960
So I'm like, I'm even if I don't sell another

584
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.119
book for a while, I said, I'm not going to

585
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.640
do that again, just because you know, and like I said,

586
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:59.839
people have been uber successful with you know, self publishing.

587
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.000
It's one of those things where in this particular instant

588
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.119
didn't work out so well, or it could have been

589
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:06.720
better had I not done that.

590
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.039
So what was your self publishing process? What did that

591
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:10.359
look like?

592
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:16.920
I literally just once I once I shopped at around

593
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.440
the Asians stand out to mis Jones, and no one

594
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:25.279
seemed to be biting. I looked on Amazon and someone

595
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.960
had said that you can self publish for them. I'm like, oh,

596
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.319
so I had gone on and they said, scroll all

597
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:33.400
the way down and there's something called create Space. I

598
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:35.200
don't even know if it's still on there, but you

599
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:37.759
were able to self publish through them with the you know,

600
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.240
ebook versions and in the paperback versions and whatnot. So

601
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:43.680
I had done. I was like, well, I'm gonna do

602
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:45.359
this no matter what, you know, I'm going to make

603
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:47.599
sure people can read my book.

604
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.559
No matter what, even if it's just me publishing it.

605
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:55.200
And so I did that, you know, sofortunately it could

606
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.920
have won, copies were sold. You wife bought one, which

607
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.839
I was very really turned out. But at first, you know,

608
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.119
there's some risky scenes in it. So I was like

609
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.200
at first when when she told me that she bought it,

610
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:08.960
and I was like, I only knew her from church on.

611
00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:13.039
Writing for a friend.

612
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:16.359
Yeah. But the funny thing is so one of my uh,

613
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.599
one of my friends, one of my good friends, his

614
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:23.759
sister had bought it for her her daughter because she

615
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.279
thought it was like like a middle grade or some

616
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:29.720
sort of like you know, a very instant book. And

617
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:32.680
I'm like, oh no, no, she can't read that. No,

618
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:34.720
she can't.

619
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:36.960
Like I said, it does get risky, you know, this

620
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:37.480
is uh.

621
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:39.720
I don't know what I was going for, but I figured,

622
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:41.480
you know, they don't hold back and catch them the rise,

623
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:43.000
so I'm not going to hold back. Yeah.

624
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:47.920
Yeah, So you how much would you roughly spend on

625
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:49.200
a self published book like that?

626
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:50.079
Oh?

627
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:55.079
No, I remember so long ago, like total ballpark.

628
00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:01.599
You don't you don't really spend you don't really spend much,

629
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:03.759
but you don't mean much. Yeah, it's one of those

630
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.440
things like Amazon makes the chunk of it. Yeah, it's

631
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.640
for I think I made for whatever was sold for

632
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.640
what I have a per copy sold. I think maybe

633
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.920
I made it was crazy, it wasn't even fifty and

634
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:23.640
then it was and until years later, until I finally

635
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:28.400
like got you know, a notable publisher in a very

636
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:29.559
good who's very good at dor job.

637
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:30.480
Then I realized I'm.

638
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.920
Like, oh man, yeah, yeah, they it's an education.

639
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:36.960
Oh yeah, yeah, it's all It's all an education.

640
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.839
And that's one of the things where you know, the

641
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.759
writing parts fun too, but half the job, half the

642
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:47.079
job is like business wise, like promoting yourself and all

643
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:50.000
that stuff and so and that's like those are all

644
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:52.000
learning curves up there. Like back then, I was hardly

645
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.720
promoting that. I did like one book signing at a restaurant. Yeah,

646
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.839
which was cool, you know everyone while you were eating.

647
00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:58.119
A hot dog.

648
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.119
Yeah, most of the ye right, friends game, So it

649
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:01.759
was a good time.

650
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:04.160
But all right, we're going to take our second break.

651
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:05.680
We'll come back to a little bit more about the

652
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.480
business of writing, and then we'll get into the book specifically.

653
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:14.200
Everybody another minute, we'll be right back with John Katie.

654
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674
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.640
We're back with John Katie he is the author of

675
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.480
the series Angela of Death. We'll get to that shortly.

676
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.599
So it's just the one book that you self published, yes, yep.

677
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.240
And so the other books or well if you were

678
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.000
part of anthologies too, So talk about what for those

679
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:43.880
that don't know. I had to just refamiliarize myself. Sorry,

680
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:47.079
I can't talk with anthology. What's that like? What does

681
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:48.519
that look like? And how do you get included?

682
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.240
So an anthology is like a collection of short stories.

683
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:59.000
So for example, you know, if you see like in

684
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.440
my My on the on the shelf in my classroom,

685
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:04.599
like Greatest American Short Stories, and it's like, you know,

686
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.000
but this guy like Mark Queen and everyone in it.

687
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.480
But it's a collection of short stories that they call

688
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.480
an anthology. And sometimes it's by this by the same author,

689
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.240
sometimes it's by multiple more often than not it's by

690
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:16.200
multiple authors.

691
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:19.559
So but yeah, so summer themed and some or not.

692
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:20.319
Yeah.

693
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:21.839
Yeah, for the most part they're themed.

694
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:25.079
Yeah, and so you've been in several of those.

695
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:26.880
Yeah, So it's funny.

696
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.480
So Missy, my wife, her cousin went, We're at a

697
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:33.400
family cookout one time and he said, he said, hell,

698
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:34.720
you know, I know you're writer and you're trying to

699
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:36.839
get published, I said. I said, yeah, you can't find

700
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.440
an agent. He said, well, you don't need an Asian

701
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:43.039
if you for for horror anthologies. He goes, do you

702
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.400
write horror? And I'm like, no, like, I don't even

703
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:48.839
I don't like horror, get into it, you know, I

704
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:51.400
never got into horror. Yeah, and maybe when I was

705
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:53.480
a kid, and never you know, since you know, I

706
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:56.480
get creeped out away too easy. And then so he said, oh,

707
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:59.039
it's a shange, you know, because you don't need you

708
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.880
don't need an Asian if you know you sent you

709
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.799
can submit your short stories to like these horror anthology

710
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.920
publishers and sometimes you know it'll they'll take you. You'll

711
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:09.640
take it on the strength of your story, and then

712
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.000
it can end up on the shelf and Barnes and

713
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:12.759
Noble and stuff and that.

714
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.079
He's like, it always happened and stuff like that always happened.

715
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:18.319
I'm like, oh, well, I do write horra, so you

716
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.960
know it's got one of those things right completely one ad.

717
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:22.640
I'm like, no, yeah, I can, I can write hargher.

718
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.160
I do horher yeah, and then so is this horror?

719
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:30.599
Slowly I turned yeah, yeah, that's the three two toes everybody.

720
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.599
So I just to be honest, well familiar.

721
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:37.720
But yeah, so I I submitted to you know, one

722
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.359
of those. I said, well, first I gave it to

723
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.319
my sister to read. My sister is my beta reader,

724
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.440
which basically, for those unfamiliar with the term, it's she

725
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:48.039
reads it, tells him my stories, tells me to say garbage,

726
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:49.640
tells me what I need to work on, tell me

727
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:51.519
I say good. You know, it's one of those things

728
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.880
usually fortunately not gonna which they're good stories. But so

729
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.640
I sent her the Horror and the first one I

730
00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.839
was ever gonna submit, and she said, oh, the writing's great.

731
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.119
You don't kill anybody. And I'm like, well, I don't

732
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:04.519
want to kill anybody. And she's like, well, it's horror,

733
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.960
so maybe think about that. I'm like, so then from

734
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:11.159
now from there on, I was like, the stories got

735
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:14.320
like they started getting accepted but from publishers, but they

736
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.239
got so dark that I'm like, I'm like, finally someone

737
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.360
read it and they're like, that was kind of that's you,

738
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.000
and I'm like, it's not me, that's my character that

739
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.280
I wrote. And I'm like, you know, it's.

740
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:27.119
All playing games. Until somebody dies exactly and.

741
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.800
So but basically because of that, because of my involvement

742
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.599
in getting published in those anthologies and enjoining the horror community,

743
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.320
which HERR community is great, like they all lift each

744
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.400
other up. It's one of those things. I mean, I'm

745
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:42.159
sure there are people who are trying to do the

746
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.320
next guy, but they're also I find a lot of

747
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.239
people trying to help the next guy. You don't see

748
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.360
that in a lot of just show business in general,

749
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.000
or accounts to show business.

750
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:52.639
What have you?

751
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:54.840
Entertainment, Yeah, entertainment.

752
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.960
And so through that I met my current publisher, water

753
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.480
tew Hill PUBLISHM. So I never would have had that

754
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:05.079
conversation not taking place, And had I not gotten involved

755
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.519
in that horror community, I never would have met the

756
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.000
people who published Angel of Death.

757
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:12.599
So, which of your books was first professionally published?

758
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:14.280
First professionally published?

759
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.920
Was Attack of the Three D's Armbies Attack? Okay, and

760
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:21.360
now I was written that's also D and T publishing.

761
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.880
I met them through the horror community, and so I said,

762
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.119
I get a middle grade horror book, kind of like.

763
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.440
A goose defined back up define middle grade.

764
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.039
Middle grade is so that's anywhere from I think like

765
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:35.159
maybe fourth grade.

766
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.239
I think they go up to seventh grade.

767
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:41.320
Okay, yeah, you know readers. It's the two yeah, middle readers. Good, yeah, yep,

768
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:44.239
A little bit about that.

769
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:46.960
So yeah, I said, I said, do you ever I

770
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.480
had published a number of short stories with them, and

771
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.320
I said, if you ever thought of, like, do you

772
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.199
ever accept middle grade horror? Because I've written like a

773
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.360
goosebump style of middle grade horror. And she said the

774
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:00.559
owner had said that, funny you mentioned that, because we

775
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.559
would like to go in that direction, you know, also

776
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.360
in that direction, not completely in that direction. So they

777
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.280
published it. And that was my first taste of like

778
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.920
any kind of success with the writing, because a lot

779
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:14.559
of kids had soul, had bought it and enjoyed it

780
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.239
like they did goosebumps and whatnot.

781
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.840
So that was I enjoyed writing that. I enjoyed writing that.

782
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.000
And that got you the first private chet yeah.

783
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.320
Yeah, oh yeah.

784
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:30.119
And is that when you were so writing the anthologies?

785
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.599
Was that when you were you would consider yourself, I

786
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.000
don't know what the word is, legit, right, you know,

787
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:36.920
a legitimate published author.

788
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:39.480
Yeah, So it was, and it was funny, and I

789
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.079
didn't even I really didn't even think about that or

790
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.800
say that. I didn't say that. I was obviously thought it,

791
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.480
but I didn't say that until one of the security

792
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.039
guards where he said, he goes, oh, man, you're you're

793
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:53.760
an author. Now you're a published author. And I'm like, oh, yeah,

794
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.239
it was just yes, he goes, he goes, don't downplay it.

795
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.719
He said, you didn't self publish it. Someone powers your voice,

796
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:03.280
some one thought the publisher. I'm like, you're right, they did,

797
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:07.239
you know. So it's kind of like it uh reinvigorated me.

798
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:07.440
You know.

799
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:09.880
One of the things that I'm like, hey, all right.

800
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:13.119
Yeah, you're right, absolutely, I believe in that. I mean,

801
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:18.199
and we teach that in our sales training is self affirming. Right, yeah,

802
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:22.280
I belong here. I'm not a not a the other word,

803
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.400
I'm not an impostor. I belong here. I have value.

804
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:29.280
I'm you know, I've got expertise, et cetera. So you

805
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.599
have an editor that they provide an editor. You work

806
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.119
with the same editor over and over often.

807
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:35.880
For the Angela books.

808
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.719
Yeah yeah, yeah, so if you another series, you might

809
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:40.960
have another editor.

810
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:45.880
Excuse me, no, most likely it'll it'll be the same editor.

811
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:49.239
She's the she's the primary editor. Over there at Watatower Hill.

812
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:54.320
So it's Heather Daughtry. That's the main publishers that way.

813
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.000
So what's that process? Like how many versions do you

814
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.679
end up writing? How many? How many? I don't I

815
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:03.920
don't know the terminology yet. So is it rewrite? Is

816
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:05.159
it corrections?

817
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:06.079
Draft?

818
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:06.400
Yeah?

819
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.079
So so basically like so I will.

820
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:11.840
I send over the original like what I you know,

821
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:14.639
what I've written, and then she'll go through it with

822
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:16.880
a fine tooth comb and she'll say, oh, well, this

823
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.079
is you know, this should be changed, but this doesn't

824
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.199
make sense here because you did it on this something,

825
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.719
you did something else on another page earlier. And I'm like,

826
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.320
I didn't even notice that. And that's why he's such

827
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:28.719
a good editor. Like as much as I've like, I've

828
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:32.280
read The Angel of Death one, I wrote it ten

829
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:34.039
years ago, way before I ever met them. So it's

830
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.920
one of those things where I had I've read that

831
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:41.039
thing cover to cover I don't know how many times,

832
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:44.280
like and then she looked at it with her fresh

833
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.400
editor eyes and she said, oh yep, And so she's like, oh,

834
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:50.320
this is uh, you know, he's here's some changes that

835
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.079
it shouldn't be made. And when I made the change.

836
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.599
It wasn't I didn't even have a I had a

837
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:57.440
you know, they give you a voice, but I didn't.

838
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.079
I didn't want to disagree with She was right about

839
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:01.559
all of it, like all the kids.

840
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:03.920
You wanted to make. It made the book that much better.

841
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:05.519
And I'm like, I don't know how I missed that,

842
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.079
but I'm glad that you caught it, you know. So

843
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.719
it's like one of those things where she's really good

844
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:12.199
at what she does and she's a good author.

845
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.760
So after the editing is complete, what happens next?

846
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.800
So then we had the meetings for the for the

847
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.800
cover art, which that alone blew my mind.

848
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:22.960
I'm going to show that again.

849
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:27.280
Yeah, And we'd go through it was cool, like they'd

850
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:30.000
go like while they were constructing it, like in the

851
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:31.519
meeting and they're like, all right, what do we think

852
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:33.480
about this? What are we about this? Of course I'm

853
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.760
sitting there, I'm like, this is awesome. Everything's awesome, and

854
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:40.280
they're like, Johnkie, you disagree with Stump some stuff. You know, we're.

855
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.320
Not going to get anything done saying this is awesome

856
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:43.000
every everything.

857
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.320
Again, that's one of those things where you're so excited

858
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.480
that everything's finally happening, Like all this this thing that

859
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.119
you've been dreaming about forever, like for twenty five years,

860
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.800
and now I've been you know, once it's finally happening,

861
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:58.000
and you're in the moment, You're like, this is awesome.

862
00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:58.960
This really is awesome.

863
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.360
You know, like when you wrote the first book, did

864
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:03.760
you know it was going to be through book series?

865
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:08.480
No? In fact, so I wrote the first book. So

866
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:10.400
the first book I wrote, like I said, I had

867
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.679
written it ten years ago, and I had shopped it

868
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.320
around to a bunch of agents and all of them said,

869
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:19.199
you know, nobody wants angels. Nobody wants angels. And I'm like, no,

870
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.039
people want them, and they're like no, we're agents. We

871
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.639
know people don't want angel yet. So I'm like all right,

872
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:26.639
I'm like fair enough. And so then I'm like, oh,

873
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:29.480
maybe it's just too short. And then I again I

874
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.119
blocked out that nobody wants angels business, and I'm like,

875
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:35.079
maybe it's just too short. The fantasy novels are longer,

876
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.840
and so I then I shot that around a young,

877
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.119
longer version. They're like, no, nobody wants angels, and I'm like,

878
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.719
oh great, I just invested more time and nobody wanting angels.

879
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:50.960
And then finally I Josh Lloyd Fox. Actually Lloyd Fox.

880
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.519
He's he's the main the publisher at Watawhiley and he's

881
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:55.440
an author, a.

882
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:56.920
Very accomplished author himself.

883
00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.440
So he had written this series called The Archangel Missions

884
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.679
and I saw her it come through literally while I

885
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.159
was scrolling on Facebook, and I'm like, oh, I'm like,

886
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:10.280
he likes angels and he's a publisher, and then I

887
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.599
know he's successful. Gad, I've seen his books. And then

888
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.800
I'm like, so I message him about it and he goes,

889
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.760
he goes, yeah, brilliant, send it along, and I'm like, WHOA,

890
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.000
all right, yes, you know. It was one of those

891
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.760
like one of those moments. Yeah. So you know, he

892
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.079
accepted it and he wanted it, and he said, can

893
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.559
I break it up into two books? And I'm like, yeah, absolutely,

894
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.039
you know it was two books originally, you know it

895
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.840
was you know, the original book ended it on X

896
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.440
amount pages or whatever. And so he said great, and

897
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.000
so when he went to when he went to promote

898
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.920
it on Facebook the first time, he said book one

899
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.039
and a trilogy. And I'm like, oh, trilogy, and I'm like,

900
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:45.559
that's awesome. And then I'm like, wait a minute, I

901
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.320
just probably write that third book one of those things

902
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.239
where when I wrote it ten years ago, I wasn't

903
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.480
thinking trilogy a seria. I just wanted to write a book,

904
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:56.639
like basically it was for my students.

905
00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.239
Oh that's cool, talk about that.

906
00:41:59.280 --> 00:41:59.480
I want.

907
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.960
I wanted to get that. Sorry, yeah, oh I'll talk

908
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.480
about now.

909
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.440
Yeah. So I it's not often I get a lot

910
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.119
of readers and then like they don't read on the

911
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:11.719
They'll always say to me, oh, I don't. I don't

912
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:14.159
really read on the out, you know, when they're not

913
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:16.400
blocked up or whatever. And then so I'm like, oh,

914
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:18.800
that stinks. But then I had like one group of

915
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.880
kids one time that they were read they were devouring

916
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.559
anything they can read. It killed time, yeah, you know

917
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.239
if they were especially in the kill time. So they

918
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:28.880
were reading just about everything that was in there. And

919
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.159
there was like they like these books called the Blueford

920
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:34.639
High series, which is all about like they're kind of

921
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.199
environmental kind of where they grew up and whatnot, like

922
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:39.599
Inner City. And then you had and then they liked

923
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:41.639
their fantasy books, and so I'm like, all right, you

924
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:43.800
guys love these things. I said, you love you guys

925
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.559
love the Fantasy Hunt and they said yeah, I said,

926
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:48.360
but we don't. You know. One kid was like, when

927
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:51.360
I don't really relate to any of the protagonists, like

928
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.880
they're all they're not from where away from then all

929
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:56.760
these X amount of things. So I was like, ah,

930
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:58.519
I'm like and I didn't write fantasy at the time.

931
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.960
It wasn't even on my radar. So I hope you

932
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.320
guys find what you're looking for. And then but it never,

933
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.159
nothing ever materialized. And then all of a sudden, maybe

934
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:08.679
like a month later. It wasn't that night, but a

935
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.360
month later, I had a dream which ended up being

936
00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:13.159
chapter two of The Angel of Death.

937
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:13.440
Wow.

938
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:17.679
First one where I'm in a nursing home room with

939
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:20.239
an elderly man who I'd never seen before. I'm just

940
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.920
sitting there with him, though, and then a girl comes

941
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:26.800
in that looks like Angela and she kisses him right

942
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.199
on the forehead and he flatlines them and she looks

943
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.559
at me and then walks out, and I'm like, what

944
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.079
was that? And then I woke up. Look, I do everything.

945
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.079
I woke up and I wrote it down and so

946
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:40.760
that literally turned into all of this, and I wrote

947
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:42.880
I wrote that book. You know, I want everyone to

948
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.159
enjoy it, but they are literally my target audience, my

949
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:46.960
students that wrote it for them. Wow.

950
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.559
So all right, a couple of quick more quick questions

951
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.320
on business, and then we'll get into the books themselves.

952
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:57.599
Let's see how much time do you devote daily or

953
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:58.440
weekly to writing.

954
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.320
I had devote least one hour a night after my

955
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:02.400
wife and gifts go to sleep.

956
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:06.639
Okay, and what's the next series or book you're working

957
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:07.880
on right now?

958
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:10.719
I am working on I'm writing a book called ten

959
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:14.800
Toes Down, which is it's like it's a way of

960
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:16.719
a slang way of saying all in or you know,

961
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:21.880
fully supportive, and it's it's about I'm writing stories about

962
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.320
teaching a dys like some memories I've had of times

963
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.840
when these kids have shined, you know, like it's like

964
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:29.880
I was saying earlier, it's a part of them that

965
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.360
society doesn't get to see. Well, I kind of want

966
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.679
to bring it to society in the form of the book.

967
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:37.360
Do you have plans at some point to make writing

968
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:38.000
full time?

969
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:41.960
No, because just I love what I do during the day.

970
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.320
I mean, you know, I I love that I get

971
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:46.960
to do that during the day, and I love that

972
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.039
I'm living my other that I'm living my other dream

973
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:53.039
right now also of writing books and having them published.

974
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.119
So I got the best of both worlds right now.

975
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.039
And I never want to leave because honestly, my students

976
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:02.199
in my job, that's one of my biggest, biggest musse

977
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:05.039
and inspirations anyways, So for me to leave that, it's

978
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.840
just I feel like a not just like a phony,

979
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.880
but I'd feel like, you know, this is what I love.

980
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:11.719
I love my job. Why would I leave it?

981
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:15.639
And then you know so, but you know it, it'd

982
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.760
be great if the book's got huge to the point

983
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:20.239
where I could, but I still wouldn't put it.

984
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:21.559
Yeah, yeah, I.

985
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:23.960
Always joke in my boss I'm like, I don't remember

986
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:28.400
applying for the job, but you're stuck with me, all right.

987
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:30.960
Tell us about the first book, Angela of Death.

988
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:36.599
So she is Angela is kind of alone, kind of

989
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.719
a loner, but she wants to Like in the neighborhood

990
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:42.559
where she grew grows up, you kind of have to

991
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.519
be part of something for protection, Like you can't just

992
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:47.840
walk around or you know, it's not a very safe

993
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.639
area to walk around. And so she's gonna join a

994
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.320
local gang that one of her friends is like one

995
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.239
of the higher ups in the gang, and so her

996
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:57.480
friend doesn't want another joints. So they do this the

997
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.280
initiation of jumping her in. But they also say that, oh,

998
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.639
you got to kill someone, and so they like they're

999
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.480
setting her up to like kill someone, but really really

1000
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.639
it's it's like the guns load to a blanks.

1001
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:08.920
They just want to see if she would do it.

1002
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:09.480
They don't.

1003
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:10.480
They don't want her to do it.

1004
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:12.000
They don't want her in the gang, like or her

1005
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:15.199
friend doesn't anyway, so she chickens out at the last second.

1006
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.360
She's like, well, I'm glad you couldn't do it. And

1007
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:19.320
then but you do have to leave because we're talking

1008
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:21.920
in gang business or whatever, you know. And so she's

1009
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:22.400
leaving and.

1010
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:26.159
A ride make her protected kind well.

1011
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:27.840
You know, they are going to protect her on some level,

1012
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.280
but they so when she's leaving, a rival gang is

1013
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:34.039
there to like shoot up the house and she gets

1014
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:37.039
killed in the you know, in the in the gunfire like,

1015
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.960
and so she wakes up looking down at her at

1016
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:43.679
her corpse, and meanwhile Michael the archangel is there and

1017
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.000
he says, basically, you know, what You're going to be

1018
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.320
an angel of death now and we're gonna you know,

1019
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:50.039
She's like, well, I can't even take a life. Did

1020
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:51.800
you see what just happened? And he's like, well, you're

1021
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:53.880
not taking it for them anymore. You're taking it for

1022
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:58.119
the big guy basically, and so she she's like, all right, well,

1023
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.159
how am I going to do that? And so this

1024
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.880
launches her into this whole there's going to be a

1025
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.000
next big war battle for Heaven. So she's on the

1026
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.320
good guy's side, and you know, it starts out there's

1027
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:11.159
a lot of I pull a lot from the Bible

1028
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:13.360
and put it in there, like where they had their

1029
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.440
great battle for Heaven where Satan was cast out and

1030
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:18.519
he took a third of the angels. Those are the

1031
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.519
bad guys, basically, Like the story is almost writing itself.

1032
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.920
Those are the bad guys, and I just need to

1033
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:27.599
build the good guy army. And then, you know, so

1034
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.880
it it turned into it turned from that, you know,

1035
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.280
one story into like, oh, well, this could be epic,

1036
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:35.320
and I'll write them for as long as they want

1037
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.199
me to, like, as long as they'll let me write them,

1038
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:37.760
I'll write them.

1039
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.360
So a trilogy could become a multibook series.

1040
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:43.400
Yeah, because I'm trying to. So I'm working on I'm

1041
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:46.159
pulling some of the other characters, some of the minor

1042
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:49.039
characters and giving them their own trilogy right now. Like

1043
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.320
one of the characters I'm giving them his own trilogy

1044
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:53.440
right now that I'm working on as well. I got

1045
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:55.880
a couple I got on the book above my students,

1046
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.239
and I got that book going on because I do

1047
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:00.760
that because it stops me a lot of times from

1048
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.840
having writer's block. Yeah, maybe it takes a little longer

1049
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.119
to write some of the books, but it also I'm

1050
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.920
constantly if I can't come up with something for a

1051
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:11.360
few days on the other thing, at least I can

1052
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:13.199
work on the other thing. That way, my mind is

1053
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.679
that writer in mind is still going, and that discipline

1054
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.239
is still going. Discipline is huge with it.

1055
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:23.960
Yeah, all right. Two last questions, yep, simple ones. How

1056
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:26.280
do people if they want to reach out to you,

1057
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:28.599
what's the best way? Would it be your email? Which

1058
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:31.079
which was in the crawl it's John A. KD C

1059
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:33.000
A d y at gmail dot com.

1060
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:35.280
Yep, that's one way, and then the other way is

1061
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.199
just on so on Facebook.

1062
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:40.559
I'm John Katie author on X. I guess we call

1063
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:40.840
it now.

1064
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:45.519
I'm John Katie author Instagram John k Everything's John Katy author. Basically,

1065
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:47.119
it's not it's not hard to.

1066
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.599
Find, okay, good. And the books are available certainly on

1067
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:50.960
Amazon andwhere else.

1068
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:55.719
Yeah, so Amazon and the publisher's website, which is WaterTower

1069
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.400
Hill dot com and then just pretty much where we

1070
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.000
always say where Ever, books of sold a bit online

1071
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:06.719
like so Target online, Walmart online, and then Bonn's Noble online.

1072
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:11.079
Awesome, Well, thank you so much for being here. I

1073
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:12.920
know it. It was a challenge to get you here

1074
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.119
on time. You made it because your work schedule, and

1075
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.320
thank you, and I'm sure the audience does as well.

1076
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:21.119
Well, thank you very much, you got it all experience.

1077
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:24.199
Awesome and thanks everybody else for watching and listening. This

1078
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:26.760
is a show about business and business challenges. This was

1079
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.400
a fun one because we get to bring in a

1080
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.559
story about the book. If you have concerns about the

1081
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:35.920
sales effectiveness effectiveness of your company, whether you're large or small,

1082
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:38.719
whether it's just you or you have a team, feel

1083
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:41.000
free to reach out to me on Facebook or LinkedIn

1084
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:43.599
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1085
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:45.599
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1086
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.320
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1087
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.559
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1088
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:57.239
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1089
00:49:57.280 --> 00:49:59.079
we're not right for everybody, but maybe we should have

1090
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:02.480
a conversation. Thank you as always to producer and engineer

1091
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.320
Wan Front of the job, well done. Thank you one.

1092
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:06.800
Be sure to join us next week. That's Monday, April

1093
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:10.480
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1094
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:14.159
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1095
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:18.920
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1096
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