Aug. 6, 2024

Jeremy Bombard, Founding and Principal Attorney of Bombard Law

Jeremy Bombard, Founding and Principal Attorney of Bombard Law

Jeremy Bombard, founder and Principal Attorney of Bombard Law, discusses his career and how he provides legal services to his small business clients.

Jeremy is a recognized advisor with demonstrated success in corporate law, land-use litigation,...

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Jeremy Bombard, founder and Principal Attorney of Bombard Law, discusses his career and how he provides legal services to his small business clients.

Jeremy is a recognized advisor with demonstrated success in corporate law, land-use litigation, civil litigation, and small business advisement. He is dedicated to empowering with legal expertise, ensuring their protection and success in various corporate needs. He acts as their outside general counsel and handles their day-to-day legal needs.

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Thank you everybody for joining in once again today. I

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as regular viewers and listeners know, is to offer its

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insights and advice to help people avoid the mistakes of others,

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right to learn best practices. Those are the how tos,

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the what toos, the what not tos. And I always

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say to be challenged and hopefully and certainly to be

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inspired by the successes of others. But you know, virtually

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every successful person I've ever had a chance to has

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had some form of failure in their lives and careers.

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So listen. While we all have to get our knees

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skinned once in a while, I'm driven to keep those

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scrapes from meeting major surgery. Let's endeavor to learn from

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history so we don't repeat it today. My guest is

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Jeremy Bombard. Bombard, I can say it, Founder and principal

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attorney at Bombard Law. Here's his bio. Jeremy Bombard is

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a business attorney. He brings extensive experience in managing a

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wide range of legal matters. He's a recognized advisor with

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demonstrated success in corporate law, land use litigation, civil litigation

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and small business advisement. Jeremy's dedicated to empowering small businesses

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with legal expertise, ensuring their protection and success in various

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corporate needs. He acts as their outside general counsel and

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handles d day to day legal needs. His legal expertise

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includes investigation procedures, corporate defense strategies, litigation management, employment law,

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and risk management. He is skilled in case assessment, discovery,

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motion practice, mediation, trials and appeals. Before moving into helping businesses,

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Jeremy was a limit litigator, which has allowed him to

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know the risks that businesses face and the consequences of

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not having the correct contracts in order. He brings that

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knowledge to keep the risks down for his clients to

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attempt to mitigate any future legal issues. Jeremy earned his

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undergraduate degree in politics and government from the University of

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Hartford and his law degree from New England School of

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Law in Boston. When he isn't working, you're likely to

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find him participating in a spartan race somewhere in New England.

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Jeremy Livesten framing him mass along with his wife, Heather.

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Jeremy Welcome to Winning Business Radio and TV. Thanks for being.

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Here, Thanks for having me.

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Kevin, you got it. So most people hear that background

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and say, wow, I did all that, I know all that,

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but we just went as a starting point, right. We

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want people to get to know you, and so I

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always like to start with some background. I know you

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live in Framingham. Tell us where you grew up.

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So I grew up in Central Mass Southbridge, and you

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don't know where Southbridge is. You've been close because I'm

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guessing everybody's been to Old Sturbridge.

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Village for sure.

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It's two minutes away.

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So I grew up there and ended up going to

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high school in Worcester. And then as I graduated, I said,

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I got to move out of the suburbs to Boston.

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That was years and years and years ago.

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But when my wife and I went to look for

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a house, we realized Boston was just outrageously expected.

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So I took a step back with to Framingham. And

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now framing him.

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Is overprice, so go figure cool, I know everywhere is right.

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So when you were young, you know, perhaps high school,

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what were your early interests as far as career wise,

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maybe you didn't even know, you know, what were Maybe

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what were you into sports. Were you into any pursuits

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of any kind?

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No, I was kind of a lazy high school student.

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It's ironic. I mean I played sports.

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I played some soccer, some baseball, some basketball, but nothing,

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you know, like even in college it was.

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More the injur murals.

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You know. Yeah, nothing as opposed to now where my

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athletic pursuits have widely changed.

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And as far as career, I absolutely I was going

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to be an attorney in.

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Fact, right, So that was one of my questions. How

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and when did you know that?

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So this happened back in I'd say in middle school.

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I remember taking an aptitude test where they you know,

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that you went through and figured out what you wanted

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to do, and uh, I said, that's it. I'm going

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to be an attorney. And I wish I remembered why

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I wanted to be an attorney so diligently.

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But since middle school ever since, and I haven't waivered.

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I've I was in pre law in college, and I

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went through college and I said I'm all done with school.

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I couldn't do it another three years of school, so

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I took time off and I said, I don't want

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to be in the law and gonna try something different,

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and I kept going back. I kept going back, kept

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going back. Was it paralegal doing regulatory work? And I said,

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all right, I guess the I guess I have no choice.

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I'm going to law school, so I.

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Have no choice.

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And uh, And I was in d C and I

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just didn't like d C. So I came back here

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to Boston. I said, it's it. I'm not going to

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be an attorney. That lasted a year, went back to

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law school, finished my law degree.

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So any any good stories of middle school, like negotiating

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trades at the lunch table or anything.

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So, because I've always asked my parents and I said,

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you know, why, why was I always wanting to be

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a lawyer? And both my parents agree, Its because I

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argued all the time. I'm stubborn. I was the first born.

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It had to be my way, that high way. So

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I argued every time everything.

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No matter what.

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So I think it just it just Yeah.

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My parents would say, You're going to make a great

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lawyer someday, and it's subconsciously stuck in my head.

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So what made you choose Hartford? University of Hartford, that is?

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And to pursue politics and government?

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The glamorous version is it gave me the most money.

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Hey, that's that's a common reason, and it's a good reason, frankly,

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but it's.

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It's when you go to law school.

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In fact, if I would have done it all over again,

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I would have actually done even done pre law, because

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in retrospect I realized it's a worthless degree. It means

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unless you're going to be a lawyer, it means absolutely nothing.

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I should have gotten English because that's the bulk of.

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What you do as already is writing, and English would

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have been much better for a legal career than pre

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law or political science or whatever they call it.

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But policide or government. You weren't wanting to get into

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politics or government law per se.

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Right, So I interestingly enough, Kevin, I thought about it

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and I said, well, that's not a bad career being

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in politics and government. And then I went to d

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C and that cured me of anything.

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You got the injection, you got the inoculation.

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I am funny.

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People say like, if you go to d C, you're

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either gonna love it you're gonna hate it.

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And I hated it.

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It was just I mean, you think the regular court

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system now is bogged down in bureaucracy, and well, as

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you can imagine, DC was even more so.

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And I just said, I don't I don't want to

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deal with I want to deal with real life stuff.

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Yeah, hey, quick side step, not a don't tell her,

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I said that. But tell us about Heather, your wife.

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So my wife.

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She is an executive assistant for the institute down in

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Randall in School.

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She's been there about two years now.

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She's uh, she loves the job some days, some days

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she hates it, like we all do. But we've been

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together married now. This will be have twelfth year in December.

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About three or four years before that in the watertown.

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And like I said, we lived together in Walfam and

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said we want to buy a place in wal Fame.

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We love wall Fame.

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We looked at the price and says, dope, that's ridiculous,

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so let's move where we can afford.

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But her and I we get along very good.

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She's actually, if you won't even do more of a

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side step about my races, she come and crew me.

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She'll help me out. She's my support group essentially. Wow.

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By the way, I didn't know that she was affiliated

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with the manage to do tell people a little bit

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about that. It's a really impressive organization.

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Yes, so they are a nonprofit organization that and my

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wife tells you this. I don't know how many.

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Schools they have, but they're there are schools that help

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children with autism.

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They there.

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I think they're all eastern and central mass I don't

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know how far out they go. I forget how many

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schools they have exactly, but yeah, they basically helped the

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kids with autism, and they provide programs at schooling and

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all the assistance to families with kids with autism and

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just basically provide a wealth of information on how to

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handle a child with autism.

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Yeah, that's such a cool mission, such an important one,

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all right, sold Oh why did you choose New England

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School of Law? You told us, you know how you

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got into the pursuit of law. You know where that

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came from? Why New England School of Law.

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So New England School Law I went to again because

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it was one of the only two law schools in Boston.

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That have a night program. And I spent a.

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Year at Columbus University.

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No, not Columbus University of this.

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Columbus School of Law at Catholic University a d C,

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great law school. I just I just like at d C,

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I wasn't. I just I just wasn't having it and

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not an expensive school. So I said, I can't afford

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to go full time. I'm gonna work during the day,

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I gotta go at night.

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Yeah.

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So I looked around. It was either Suffolk or New England,

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and the essentially they were one and the same. And

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I think New England was a little less expensive and

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had a little bit more better evening classes to train

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to be a be a lawyer. And I know that

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sounds weird because you think, well, I'm going to law school.

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That's what you are, You're becoming a lawyer. But it's funny.

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You learn all the theory about law that hardly ever

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comes into play.

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On a day to day basis.

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And I like the fact that there were actual lawyers

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teaching my classes that would say, look, you're going.

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To graduate, and here's what's going to happen.

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Don't forget about this civil procedure, the rule of perpetuities

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or any of this other stuff.

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Here's what's going to happen. Here's hey years, how to

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get work, here's how.

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To get a job, here's how to you know, go off,

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here's how to do a business plan. And that's honestly,

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I think that's helped me more than anything I've learned

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in law school.

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Well that's a big plug for a New England school

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of law because you don't get that a lot, you know.

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No, to be honest, I don't know if Suffolk has

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that or not, but I remember looking at the schedule

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and saying, I want classes where they're more I don't

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want professors teaching it. I mean, yes, they teach you

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and you law, but I want to I want to

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learn from the guys that actually do it.

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So how difficult was it to work full time? I

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mean I did that for a couple of years, work

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full time and go to college. Well, how did you

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find it?

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The The correct answer is very hard. But the job

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I had at the time was very easy.

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I worked for bank. In fact, it was it was

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a great learning experience.

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I worked for Bank of America in their legal department,

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and my boss and I handled all of the consumer

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real estate litigation matters for Bank.

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Of America for the entire country.

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So in fact I was actually learning more during the

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day as opposed to at night because I would learn,

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you know, how to do that position.

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I wouldn't do the work, but I would manage the

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outside council.

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So see how they're doing this, how they're doing that,

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and more than negotiation, because at the end of the day,

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you know, it's about coming, especially litigation, it's from getting

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us from the start to the finish as cheaply as possible.

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And I learned that a lot managing the outside council.

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So I was going to ask this a little later,

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but let me toss it in here, and this will

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probably take us up to the break for the viewers

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and listeners. Define the difference between a trial attorney and

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a litigator.

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There is none.

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In fact, well yes, I should have said if there

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is one too, because I don't know.

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So a litigator does litigation and the everything from start

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to finish.

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Now a trial. There are a small.

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Group of attorneys that do specifically trial work because it's

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so unique nowadays. When when I think the it's ten

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percent go to trial now, and that might even be

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a high number. Yeah, so you don't do a lot

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of trials now, So there's usually a group of attorneys

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more likely than not, in a bigger law firm that

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will just do the trials, whereas a litigator will do everything.

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The trial attorney just comes in at the trial standpoint.

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It helps with the trial.

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So our litigators trying to avoid trial in a sense.

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dune case, which is never.

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Then you want to avoid trial because you never know

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what's going to happen.

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You think you're gonna have, you think you're absolutely going

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to win, and you know what the jury's going to say,

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and you know what's going to happen, and then they

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come back with a completely different verdict.

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You can't, you can't. What's so, what's the show? Was

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the show bull? You can't? You can't you ever see

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that show?

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Yes, but those.

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Are the largest scale ones, but you like either ones

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this small. Like if you're a million dollar like Try,

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then yes, you're spending the money, but more often than not,

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you're just trying to get through the trial. Your client

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is freaking out because you're spending two full weeks of

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preparation time and X amount per hour and they're just saying, look,

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get this thing done. And yeah, you never know, you

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leave it into the hands of the jury, it can

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be completely different than what you expect.

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Oh, we don't have time to dig into that, although

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it's very interesting to me anyway. But all right, we're

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going to take our first break. We'll be right back

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Okay, we're back with Jeremy Bombard of Bombard Law. So

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I want to take you through a few of your positions.

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We don't spend a lot of time, but I want

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to just get a sense of your career progression, kind

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of some of your key takeaways. So we'll start with

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the various paralegal positions you had prior to law school.

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What did you learn from those experiences and how do

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they help you with your career growth.

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Yeah, and I recommend this to any attorney who's not

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I mean, unless you're one hundred percent you know what

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you're going to do.

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Become a paralegal because that's where you learn all the

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grunt work.

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That's where all the day to day work that the

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attorneys don't want to do, that's what the paralegals are doing.

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And that's what learned. You know, I was able to learn,

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you know, how to.

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Do you know, drafting a document, you know, how to

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find information on a case, how to because attorney will

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a lot of times attorney will just come to a

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paralegal and say I need to find out this.

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Go find this out.

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And if the paralegal doesn't know, well, that's the paralegals problem.

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They got to figure this out. They have to go

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do the.

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Research, find out you know where to find this information.

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Legal research is pretty straightforward, especially nowadays with everything online,

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it's actually almost easy. Back in the day, you actually

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had to go to the books. I distinctly remember having

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this search through actual libraries back in the day. But yeah,

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I like the fact that it was I learned the

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day to day grunt work that is.

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Involved with law.

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That's awesome. All right, Then you were at Harvard for

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a bit as a I believe it was real estate

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regulatory analysts. Tell us about that role first, and then

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what you learned.

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Working for Harvard is so unique, and that.

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They have billions of dollars, and when you have billions

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of dollars, their thought process is a little bit different than.

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Someone with a thousand budget. Yeah.

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In fact, so one of my jobs and it all relates,

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and I'm glad I have this position is zoning. And

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we worked with the different colleges for different expansion and

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if you ever been down.

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Some of those were contentious too, Right with Austin and Kevin,

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I think.

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When you say some you mean absolutely okay.

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To be fair, I didn't know the answer, but I'm

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not surprised.

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Everybody that lives in came hates Harvard, and then now

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everybody lives in Austin Brighton hates them. So day every

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school wants to expand, and as you know from going

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visit finite nonumber of space, you have to mix and match,

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move around. And then anytime you do one little project,

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every neighbor complains, goes to the town council meetings, yells

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at Harvard about now the worst and blah blah blah.

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And it was interesting to see the animosity towards Harvard.

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And yet at the end of the day, they're probably

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proud that they live near Harvard, you know when you're

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talking to right.

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And you know who spends all the money on the

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infrastructure and puts a ton of money into the city. Yes,

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but in fact, speaking of billions of dollars and not

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having they wanted to move the Charles River. They wanted

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to move it south of Austin Brighton so they could

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connect Austin Brighton with Cambridge.

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Oh my word.

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We actually drafted up a plan.

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There was architectural designs as you can imagine it to

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not go through, but that was the thought and people

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were serious.

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They said well, we're Harvard. Of course we could move

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a river. Why wouldn't we. So that's what I did,

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and it was experience with.

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Working for you know, one hundred pound else in the room.

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It was just they got what they wanted for the

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most part, and they just threw money around it. But

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it was interesting on the zoning side to see how

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you work with the municipality and a large scale entity.

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To get things done.

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Not easy there either, right, Yeah, slow moving process.

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Yeah.

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In fact, Kevin, I've learned that if anybody comes to

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me with the zoning question, I find somebody else to

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do it, because it's so it's not even the difficulty

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of it.

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You have.

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You need to know somebody in the town you're doing it.

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It's one of those situations.

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Unless you want to get something done, you need to

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know somebody, and it's always better to have somebody on

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the ground.

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Otherwise it's it's it's going to take ten times long.

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Yeah, every city in town's got to be different way

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they approach everything, right, exactly everything.

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You think in the state of Massachusetts that have some uniformity,

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and every town is completely different.

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Well, we were talking the other day. You would think

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courts have some consistent, and they're all different in terms

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of what they do. Because I was asking you about

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zoom versus in person, and not all the courts are

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the same.

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All they're all different.

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It's a fun job trying to figure out what court

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you're going to be in and what you have to

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do for that hearing.

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And then the judge as well. All right, first American

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title title examiner. And it looked to me like on

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the timeline you started that job and then law school

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was while you were working there, you started law school.

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Am I correct on that.

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Yes, exactly. I forgot why I ended up going into

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title exams. Again, I never wanted to be in real estate.

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It sort of followed me and I followed it. In

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title exams is basically the building block of real estate.

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Every title.

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Every time you buy or sell a house, you have

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to find the title, and the title is how the

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property is transferred from person to person.

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And the worst part.

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Is you don't want to make You don't want there

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to be a problem two people back.

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So you buy a house and then somebody owned it

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ten years ago.

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Says nope, I actually owned this parcel of the land

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and it's ugly.

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So we did the research.

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I can actually tell you a story about that. With

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three siblings, one was kind of left off the sale

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and a couple of buyers later that one loan siblings

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said wait a minute, we sold it.

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Yeah, So that was again, and I'm dating myself, but

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we actually had to go to the registry and use

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the actual books.

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In fact, one of my jobs towards the end of

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my tenure there at First American I was this was

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at the time when the Catholic Church were in a

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little bit of trouble and they were looking for some

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money for the settlements. So First Americans said, Hey, here's

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what we're gonna do. We're gonna do all the titles

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on all the churches. So if they have to sell them,

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we already have the titles done, so they should use us.

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Which is great except for me who had to go

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to the bowels of the Cambridge Registry, which was one

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of the older restory anyways, and look at all the

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old books, the dusty old books in the basement and

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try to read the old writing and go back, because

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you know, you have to go back fifty years in

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a title search, which normally is pretty easy nowadays because

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there's been plenty of sales, but for churches that have

478
00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:19.400
been held onto two hundred.

479
00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:22.200
Years, it's it's interesting to go back.

480
00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.480
But again it's it's helped me in my career because

481
00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:29.400
I talk to people about land use litigation right now,

482
00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:31.079
and I can say, no, here's what you need for

483
00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:31.759
a title exam.

484
00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:33.400
It's this, this and this, and how do you fix it?

485
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:34.079
No problem?

486
00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.519
So well, I would imagine many businesses certainly not at all,

487
00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:41.920
but many businesses have a real estate component, right or

488
00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:43.319
want to have one that want to buy a building

489
00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:44.519
that they're in or you know right.

490
00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:46.680
Exactly if they don't, then they want to.

491
00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:51.079
And and it's great to have that me to have

492
00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:53.240
that ability to say, oh, no, well what do you

493
00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:55.480
have on the you know, what's the mortgage situation?

494
00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.519
What's the lean situation? Because again that's you know, to

495
00:22:58.599 --> 00:22:59.680
jump ahead. It's it.

496
00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:02.039
If you own a million dollar piece of property with

497
00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:04.640
a million dollar mortgage, then guess what that's worth zero?

498
00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:07.160
But if you have a million dollar piece of property

499
00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:09.519
that has no leans, you have million dollars.

500
00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:11.839
All right. We talked about Bank of America a little bit.

501
00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:16.640
Then you went solo for a year, Kevin.

502
00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:19.440
In fact, no I actually started at this little law

503
00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:22.000
firm called Actually it's not little, it's a big it's

504
00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.359
a foreclosure defense. And the reason I started there first

505
00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:29.559
was because at Bank of America I got some great contacts.

506
00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:30.319
I interviewed.

507
00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:34.039
I was going to actually go into commercial real estate

508
00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:36.079
because again I liked the real estate, but the commercial

509
00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:38.000
side it's a little bit more interesting, and I like

510
00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:41.319
the deal side of things, whereas opposed to litigation, we're fighting.

511
00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:44.160
And I interviewed with two firms and they said, as

512
00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:46.599
soon as you passed the bar, the job's yours.

513
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:48.640
Your your commercial real estate attorney.

514
00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:52.000
But unfortunately, this was two thousand and seven. I passed

515
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.519
the bar. I called up the law firms. They said, yep,

516
00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:56.200
we just laid off our whole.

517
00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:00.160
Commercial real estate. Oh man, yeah, so scrambling. I I

518
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:01.680
knew a guy at Harmon Law.

519
00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:05.480
They do mortgage foreclosure defense litigation.

520
00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:08.200
For various banks. Yes, yeah, Newton.

521
00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:11.000
So I called them up. I said, look, I had

522
00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:12.880
two jobs lined up, I have nothing. Can you get

523
00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:15.279
me work? And we talked. He's like, well, yeah, you

524
00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:17.359
know how to do litigation through Bank from America and

525
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:18.240
you did some title work.

526
00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:25.279
You're hired mortgage foreclosure defense work is grueling. It's tough.

527
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.599
It's it's you think in a litigation you're fighting, but

528
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.279
you know, when I'm fighting to, for all intentsive purposes,

529
00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:34.640
kick people out of their homes.

530
00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:38.240
It's a tough day in court. It's a real tough

531
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:38.759
day in court.

532
00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:40.640
In fact, I've had judges look at me and say,

533
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.440
the law is completely on your side, Attorney Bombard, but

534
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:46.559
I'm going to rule completely against you because of the homeowner.

535
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:48.119
I'm gonna side with them. If you want to peel

536
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:49.880
it go ahead. It's going to take three years to appeal,

537
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:50.480
so good luck.

538
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:51.079
Wow.

539
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:55.319
So I said yeah.

540
00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:57.960
They judges said, look, you're gonna win eventually, but I

541
00:24:57.960 --> 00:24:59.200
get to keep them in their house.

542
00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:00.160
For another three years.

543
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:00.440
Wow.

544
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:03.519
So that that just it was tough. It was a

545
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:05.920
tough day to day battle. And I said that's it.

546
00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:07.680
I'm not I don't want to do this. And I

547
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.200
had a CLIENTIC Chicago Title, and I said, I'm going

548
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:13.119
to go solo if I leave, do you want me

549
00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:14.880
to do all your title litigation for you? And they

550
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:17.640
said absolutely, So I said great. I did the title

551
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:20.039
work as a title examiner. I knew litigation. I just

552
00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:25.880
combined the two and I did title litigation for three years.

553
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.240
Unfortunately, they I always do this.

554
00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:31.480
I did so good of a job that I cleaned

555
00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:33.680
up all their mess and they said, yeah, our workload

556
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:34.400
has decreased.

557
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.039
You've cleaned up all the litigation cases. And that was

558
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:37.480
at the time.

559
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:40.519
It was two thousand and eleven ish and the economy

560
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:42.880
was getting a little bit better, so people were refinancing

561
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:46.519
and getting rid of the old bad mortgages, so they

562
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:49.279
were actually paying them again, so a lot of the

563
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:51.799
work went away. So I said, that's it. It's it's

564
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.440
time for me to move on to my next adventure.

565
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:56.720
Which seems to be Howser and Allison.

566
00:25:57.559 --> 00:25:58.920
Howser and Allison again.

567
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:03.319
They it was more it was some of the same foreclosure,

568
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.920
real estate, financial institution related litigation. And the reason I

569
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.319
liked that position was I they were a national firm

570
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.599
and they wanted to open up a Boston office, and

571
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:16.480
I got in touch with the owner and he said, look,

572
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:18.359
I want you to open the Boston office for me.

573
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.240
It's like, I'm sick and tired of like contracting it

574
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.240
out losing all this money. I'm going to have you

575
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:25.799
people in the So I was able to start the firm,

576
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:27.240
find the space.

577
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:27.839
Grow the firm.

578
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:28.839
Great experience.

579
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:31.680
It was me when I started, and I think when

580
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:34.960
we left we had eleven attorneys and three paralegals.

581
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:34.559
Wow.

582
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.599
It was interesting work and it was nice to sort

583
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:43.400
of have that autonomy from the California office and then

584
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:47.400
manage the Boston office. And because again it was completely

585
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:50.440
to Boston and California that had just two completely different

586
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:55.240
litigation worlds. And my boss gave me free reign to

587
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:58.279
you know, manage and get things organized and grow the firm.

588
00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.640
Really good experience there. And then I'll probably say this

589
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:05.480
one wrong Sea Farth or save farth' shaw close sci

590
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:09.680
Fith sci Farth. Okay, it was a third choice senior counsel.

591
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:11.839
What did you do there and what were your takeaways?

592
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.160
So the reason I went there was because it's big law,

593
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.240
and you know, every attorney aspires to be big law.

594
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:21.599
Get to the big leagues, and you get to the big.

595
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.720
Firm and they've hired me because they had a bunch

596
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:29.799
of these consumer financial litigation cases, specifically in Rhode Island.

597
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.160
I had experience of Rhode Island. I've licensed in Rhode Island,

598
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:34.160
and I said this is great. I've always wanted to

599
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.160
do big law. That's what you're aspired to. And I

600
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.160
went to big law and I realized, no, this is

601
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:44.480
it's you forget that you're not only doing the legal work,

602
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:47.640
but you have to do a lot of ancillary work.

603
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:49.720
You have to do articles, you have to do the

604
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.319
bringing in the clients, and it's you have to jump

605
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.319
through a lot of hoops and they don't tell you

606
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:56.640
what to do, and they get mad.

607
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.039
When you don't do what you're supposed to do. And

608
00:27:58.119 --> 00:27:58.799
it was just it was.

609
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.640
A it was an interesting experience working for like you

610
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:05.039
literally had everybody to do anything, Like if you needed

611
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:07.440
somebody to staple your paper, you just you know, send

612
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:09.799
an email someone coming in staple. But it was.

613
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:13.079
Almost had to do everything else, not the legal work.

614
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.240
So that lasted a year and I it's funny, this

615
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:20.039
is that's the time when I said, I'm just getting

616
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:24.039
burnt out from litigation. Just litigation is a it's one

617
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:26.039
of the tougher fields because all you do is you

618
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:27.039
fight with people all day.

619
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:27.799
That's it.

620
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.319
You fight with the opposing counsel, you fight with your

621
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:32.440
clients because they don't like the way the litigation is

622
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:33.160
going because.

623
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:35.000
It doesn't go the way they wanted to.

624
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:39.119
You fight with the courts, so just it just drains

625
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:41.839
on you every day, just fighting, fighting, fighting. Some people

626
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.920
love it, some attorneys really like it, and you know,

627
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:46.519
I don't mind it, but.

628
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:47.640
Every day it just got to me.

629
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.160
So as a side farth, I met a friend who

630
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:54.880
worked for this e discovery company said, look, we just

631
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:56.799
lost our general accounts who were a small firm.

632
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.240
They had ten or so employees.

633
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.359
They said, look, we just we got this big litigation

634
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.319
we've got, you know, we got all this mess that

635
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:04.039
we got to clean up.

636
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.039
Would you would you know, would you be interested?

637
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:07.839
And I said, I have no idea how to be

638
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.480
general counsel. You know my backgrounds in litigation. He said, no,

639
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.200
it's easy. It's just you you read contract or you

640
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.039
know how to read a mortgage, right, it's the same thing.

641
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.000
I said, well, it's not the same thing, but let

642
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:20.960
me talk to the to the CEO. So I talked

643
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:22.799
to him and and he's just he's like, look, you

644
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.799
know the litigation side. He's like, you could read a contract, right,

645
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:27.599
you know how to read legal ease and all that stuff.

646
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:29.799
You can figure it out. I said, yeah, I could

647
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.559
figure it out. He's liked, great, You're hired. Literally the

648
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.599
first week I was there, I was in ten depositions,

649
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:42.440
large scale employment wage an hour litigation Act case, which

650
00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:47.759
again is ironic, Kevin, because I'm a mortgage financial you know,

651
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:50.319
civil litigation case, not employment litigation.

652
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:53.039
So this was again a nice learning curve.

653
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.000
And then they had some other smaller they were they

654
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.079
had offices in Texas and DC. They had some smaller

655
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.680
they had some issues with the city, they had some

656
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:04.319
issues with some other employees.

657
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:06.279
What did they get myself.

658
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:11.559
Into job security?

659
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:16.200
But I loved it because for once, not so much

660
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:20.160
the litigation, but for the contracts with the salespeople.

661
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.680
The vendors. We've releases. I said, this is great.

662
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.640
We're all, for the most part, on the same page.

663
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:28.000
You know, we're trying to get to the same point.

664
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:31.599
We just need to fine tune the language. And that's

665
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.640
that's honestly where my love for business love again.

666
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:36.799
All Right, one more question before the break at the

667
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:39.640
bottom of the hour. It's for thirty one Eastern. We'll

668
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.440
push it just a little bit. General counsel is an

669
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:47.680
inside permanent employee attorney's dealing with one client that's the company.

670
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.160
Yep, it's it's it's the company's attorney on a day

671
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:52.880
to day basis.

672
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:56.720
And how is that experience different other than those you

673
00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:00.279
know that obvious focus. How is that different from being

674
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:00.920
in your own firm.

675
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:05.519
So the in house general council handles, it's usually a

676
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.359
larger firm because there's usually issues every day.

677
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:08.759
With the company.

678
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:10.799
Every day there was somebody coming to me with some

679
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.200
issue about employment, about contracts, about legal formulation.

680
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:16.039
When you say issue didn't have to be a dispute,

681
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:18.160
it just had to have this contract as we're about

682
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.160
to make a sale or right something that needed.

683
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:24.720
To be done. And I've learned this as general counsel.

684
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.400
Even if it wasn't legally related, everyone comes to the

685
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:31.160
attorney first because they figure, well he doesn't know, then

686
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.960
they'll figure it out. Whereas my role right now is

687
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:38.160
an outside general counsel. It's not day to day. My

688
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.880
clients don't have that many legal issues, so it's usually

689
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.440
on an interim basis, month to month, every few months,

690
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.039
once a year, so it's not a day to day

691
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:49.440
based relationship.

692
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:51.599
That makes sense. All right, we got to take our

693
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.039
second break right here. We'll be back in another minute

694
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:55.480
with Jeremy Bombard.

695
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.039
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Okay, we're back with Jeremy Bombard, founder and principal attorney

715
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:18.240
of Bombard Law, Business attorney Turk and Kehano just a

716
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quick experience there, then we'll get into Bombard law since

717
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:21.759
twenty eighteen.

718
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.039
Yeah, so that was a.

719
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.920
Interesting endeavor when they hired me specifically to help their

720
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:33.480
clients with their business related and some employment.

721
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:34.920
Because I figured I'd done the employment litigation.

722
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:41.640
Soon thereafter, it was apparent to me that that's not

723
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:42.400
what my role was.

724
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.279
I ended up doing more litigation. I barely did any business.

725
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.440
In fact, when I tried to broach it with the clients,

726
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:47.960
they said.

727
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.559
Well, no, you're our litigation attorney. We'll do without business attorney.

728
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:53.440
So I said, what am I doing here? This doesn't

729
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:57.079
I'm trying to get away from litigation. So I started

730
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:02.559
looking around for positions in law firms and businesses, and

731
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:05.559
I just didn't find anything I liked. That didn't that

732
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.960
didn't fit my my requirements, wasn't a good fit, you know,

733
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.719
the salary wasn't wasn't right. So after a year, I said,

734
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.119
well that's it. I'm going to start my own firm

735
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.079
and it hopefully it works well.

736
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:22.119
It has right, it has. What was the most challenging

737
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.840
part of starting your firm the clients.

738
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:31.239
I started day one with absolutely zero clients, and I

739
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.320
had no idea how to get clients because I'd never done.

740
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.199
I said, I'm going to do business law. That's it.

741
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.639
I need to find small business owners. And I said, well, look,

742
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.440
I'll start with the small business owners because I guess,

743
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:45.800
you know my assumptions.

744
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.920
They don't have the attorneys. They definitely don't have general counsels.

745
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.280
So if I can find those clients, I could definitely

746
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:51.840
help them out.

747
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:52.719
Great.

748
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:57.800
I had no idea where to find them none, So.

749
00:34:57.800 --> 00:34:59.880
That was interesting to start with. So then I re

750
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:05.239
that from a business business owners, marketing is not going

751
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:05.559
to work.

752
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.239
I mean, it works for like a criminal attorney, real estate,

753
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:14.480
personal injury, injury, but you know, business owners want want

754
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:17.519
an attorney that that somebody else tells him, Hey, go

755
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:18.440
to use this business.

756
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.679
They did, he did a good job, you should go

757
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:22.159
use him.

758
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:22.559
Right.

759
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:25.039
So I said, all right, I'm going to network. I'm

760
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.400
gonna start networking. I'm gonna make figure it out and

761
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:29.360
hopefully that works.

762
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:30.039
And I started.

763
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.199
Uh. I started with B and I. And it's funny

764
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.760
because I remember after the first meeting, they said, look,

765
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:37.719
you know, you just realize, like it's not like you

766
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.559
don't you don't get clients right away.

767
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.000
It takes time. It could take six months to a year.

768
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.599
You know, you've got to build up that relationship. And

769
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.239
I said, I I'm absolutely understanding of that. That's completely fine.

770
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:53.480
And literally the next meeting, I had four people come up.

771
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:51.760
And.

772
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:56.679
So they didn't get the memo they weren't supposed to

773
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:58.639
hire you with until the first.

774
00:35:58.199 --> 00:35:59.639
Yeah they said.

775
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.039
They said, well, you seem like a good guy, so

776
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:05.280
hopefully you're not gonna, you know, destroy my business.

777
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:06.159
So you can help me.

778
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.760
And and that's when I realized it's like that small

779
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:13.559
business owner. Yes they are hesitant, but they need to help.

780
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.800
I mean, they don't need to help, but it's it

781
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.039
doesn't hurt for them to have that assistance because I

782
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.760
can help them circumvent any problems down the road.

783
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:26.760
And again, like I said before, they always come to be.

784
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:30.679
With their weird questions that I would never know anything about.

785
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.360
But at least I can sort of break it down.

786
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:34.920
I'm like, all right, well he's his action. No, that's

787
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.280
an accounting question. Who's your account You don't have an accountant.

788
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:38.239
Let's find you an accountant.

789
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:39.880
That's the question. We'll get that fixed.

790
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:46.719
Yeah, So now talk about the work that you do

791
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.360
for your clients. And we'll get into formations. Right, there

792
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.920
are various forms ways of I'll use the word incorporating

793
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:58.039
doesn't mean corporation, as you know. But somebody wants to

794
00:36:58.039 --> 00:36:59.719
start a business, what do they have to do legally?

795
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.639
Yeah, so that's a lot of They come to me

796
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.079
first and say, I'm going to start a business. Should

797
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.000
I start an entity? And my response is always absolutely,

798
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.440
you start an entity. It's going to help you legally,

799
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:14.800
it's going to help you tax wise, and for little money.

800
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.199
Why wouldn't you do it? Because if you're a sole

801
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.840
proprietor and you get sued, issue's house is getting attached

802
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:24.559
to your own house. And then it's a question of

803
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:27.320
what the two there's the only two?

804
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.840
Well, you can do partnerships, but I in six and

805
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.320
a half years, I've never done a partnership.

806
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.199
It's either an LLC or corporation.

807
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.800
And it's it's you know, it's what's going to work

808
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:38.519
best for you.

809
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:41.440
How is it going to be formed? You know?

810
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.360
Are you going to bring on investors or no? Is

811
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:46.400
it just going to be you and two people? Are

812
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.239
you yourself? And you know here's how you know? That's

813
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:51.400
those are the discussions I.

814
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.159
Have is what are you going to be doing? What,

815
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:54.400
what's how many people are going.

816
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:56.280
To be involved? What are you going to be bringing

817
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:59.840
on people? Yes, no, are you gonna you know, if

818
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:00.719
a start.

819
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:03.000
Out, what's the nature of the work. How risky is

820
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.280
that work? You know exactly? I would imagine there's a

821
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:05.960
factor there.

822
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:09.000
Right, absolutely, And I you know, it's.

823
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:12.559
I think there's only one time where I told somebody

824
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:13.760
they don't have to do it because it was a

825
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:15.360
one off. They were going to do one job for

826
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:17.920
somebody and that was it. And I said, well, you're

827
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:19.800
they're actually taking all the risks. You don't have any

828
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:21.519
risk you doing the work. They have to pay you,

829
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.320
so they're never going to suit that. I said, it's

830
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:24.960
not worth creating.

831
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:26.719
An LLC for this project. I said, but for the

832
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:27.519
most part.

833
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.280
If there's any liability, absolutely, and I said, always talk

834
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.360
to your accountant, because there are sometimes different forms are

835
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:35.599
better for different.

836
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:37.800
Businesses.

837
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.239
So I you know, from a legal standpoint, the legal

838
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:44.880
liability for a corporation is identical to an LLC. The

839
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:50.360
costs are pretty much equal. There's more paperwork in a corporation.

840
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:56.639
As opposed to an LLC. That's usually the toughest part.

841
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.360
So es court versus C Corp. That's more of an

842
00:38:58.360 --> 00:38:59.559
accounting function.

843
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.719
For TAB Yeah, absolutely all right.

844
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:05.440
And then what many companies big and small have to

845
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.199
do is create, review and negotiate contracts. Talk about that.

846
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.719
That's that's the bulk of my work. And it's in

847
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.239
about two honestly, yeah, about two months.

848
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.159
I'm gonna get everybody coming to me with their commercial

849
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.360
leases there were duals, or if they get a new space,

850
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.880
I say, look, you should let me look at it

851
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:25.559
because I can change a little.

852
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:28.360
It can't change a lot unfortunately from a commercial but

853
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.840
it's but again, Kevin, it never hurts the ask. So

854
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:33.960
I will be a little aggressive in the lease.

855
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.039
Sometimes the landload says, yes, no problem, I'm okay with

856
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:39.159
those changes.

857
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:40.239
And sometimes they say.

858
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.280
No, we got to tweak this. You're going to bring

859
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:47.400
on a client an employee. You don't need an employment agreement,

860
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.679
but you want a non solicitation. You don't want them

861
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:53.079
to learn all your secrets and all your clients quit,

862
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:54.400
steal all your clients to.

863
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:56.719
Go start a business across the street, something to that.

864
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.920
Effect, or pull some employees with them when they leave.

865
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:01.480
Exactly. That's that.

866
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:07.000
Or you're gonna you know, whatever you're doing with a client, Like,

867
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.239
how what I tell my clients? The biggest thing you

868
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:11.679
want to make sure is you want to get down

869
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:14.079
what work you're doing, who's responsible for what?

870
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:15.320
In the money?

871
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:18.039
Money's always the big thing, like when do they get

872
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:20.199
when do you get paid? What happens if you don't

873
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.719
get paid? You know what you know is there different

874
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:25.599
levels of payment? And then I'll put in all the

875
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:26.719
boiler plate to protect you.

876
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.800
That's it. You know the.

877
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.360
Contractors, they'll deal with subcontractors. I say, look, do you

878
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:34.159
have an agreement with them?

879
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:34.639
They say no.

880
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:38.400
I said, what happens if your subcontractor plows into the house?

881
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:41.800
They said, well, I guess I got to pay for it?

882
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.400
And I said, well that doesn't seem fair does it

883
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.239
shouldn't be the subcontract I mean the subcontract made the mistake.

884
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:48.480
He's like, well, I can always sue the subcontractor. And

885
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:49.920
I said, yeah, good luck with that.

886
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.199
I mean, if you don't have a contract, then how

887
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:53.760
do you know whose responsibility is what?

888
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:55.280
It's their word against your word?

889
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:56.800
No, no, no, I have it in a bunch of

890
00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:59.440
text messages. That's I can tell you, Kevin.

891
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:01.599
There's nothing more a giant based look at than these

892
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:06.920
random text messages. I said, it's here. Here's what I

893
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:08.119
tell all my clients.

894
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:09.599
If you spend a little bit of money on me,

895
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:11.960
I can put something into a contract and it's I

896
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.320
don't I'm not like a lot of attorneys.

897
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:15.360
I don't get paid by the word.

898
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.719
I'm not going to put forty page contract together when

899
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:18.800
four pages does it.

900
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.400
I want to make sure that it's clear, concise. I

901
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.000
despise legal ees.

902
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.519
I try to make it as simple and as as

903
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:29.039
understandable as possible, but I want all the parties to

904
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.599
realize who's doing what, what the ramifications are.

905
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:35.239
If you don't do it, and maybe we'll go to litigation.

906
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:36.760
If it's you know, you don't do it right, but

907
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.000
hopefully that doesn't happen.

908
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:39.719
Well it to Murphy's law.

909
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.679
Right, Well, that's that's it's Kevin. That's exactly.

910
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:42.920
I think.

911
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:44.960
One of the first blog posts I ever.

912
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:46.519
Did was, you know, pay me now or pay me later,

913
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:48.159
Like you can pay me now to do a contract,

914
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.559
or you can pay me ten times twenty times more

915
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.599
to do the litigation. I'm more than happy to take

916
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:55.679
your money for litigation, but I'm also happy to do

917
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:57.480
a nice little contract, make everyone happy.

918
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.440
I what about buying selling it business? So it all

919
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.280
depends I taking out a partner for that matter.

920
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:10.360
So taking on a partner is a big deal and

921
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:14.199
it's people do it and don't think twice about it.

922
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.039
No, I just I brought on somebody.

923
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:18.960
They're going to own half my business, and I have

924
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.400
to say, what's the agreement, what's.

925
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.480
What's my buddy? I've known him since high school? Yeah,

926
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.519
those again, if I know, they're all passed away, but

927
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:29.760
at this point. But my father had a partner in

928
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.559
his business that he knew from high school who ended

929
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:33.519
up stealing money from.

930
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:37.599
Him or family members. I've litigated cases against brothers.

931
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:39.960
Yeah that's rough.

932
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:41.519
It's it's really rough.

933
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:43.840
And they say, I don't I can't imagine this ever happening,

934
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:46.719
and I it's usually those are the ones that come

935
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:47.000
to me.

936
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.599
After the fact, you know, they say, oh, I sit out.

937
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.280
And I like those stories because when I tell my.

938
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.519
New clients, they're like, no, no, no again, it's my

939
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:56.760
best friend, it's my brother, it's my uncle.

940
00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:59.079
I mean, our families were friends. I knew his kids.

941
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:03.119
We used to go to the houses. One one on

942
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.679
the Cape and one in New Hampshire, and yeah, yeah,

943
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.960
it's a mess. Say that's I.

944
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:08.480
Say, that's great.

945
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:11.119
I just finished finished up a litigation against two brothers

946
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.519
who were in business together. So I can tell you

947
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:14.880
how much that costs, or I can tell you how

948
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:16.480
much of a contract costs.

949
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:18.719
So yes, if you have more than one.

950
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:22.320
Owner, you absolutely need an agreement, not only to again

951
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.840
it's it's who's doing what, where the money goes, but

952
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.280
also what happens if somebody were to pass away? You

953
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.719
don't you don't think about this as a business owner.

954
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:34.840
And I get morbid with my clients. I'm like, what

955
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:36.840
happened if you die tomorrow? And they say that's you know,

956
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:38.760
I'm not that old. I said, it's not about being old,

957
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:40.079
it's about getting I think we talked.

958
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:42.480
About this, like, you get busy, do you you know?

959
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.119
You what happens to your interest in the company, what

960
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.960
happens to your partner's interest? Is there insurance to pay

961
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.199
for that? And it's funny they come to me and say,

962
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.519
I never never thought about that. I said, ninety nine

963
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:53.920
percent of the time it will never happen.

964
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.280
But you don't want to be that one percent I mean,

965
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.679
we know you probably know the story, but I won't

966
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:02.239
mention his name. We know, common an attorney whose partner

967
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.159
passed away, and all of a sudden he found himself

968
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:08.760
in business with this widow right who had no idea

969
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:11.719
and was expecting a lot more than there ever was.

970
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:13.519
So it became very messy.

971
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:15.559
It's almost like you want, I want to put a

972
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:18.639
book of all these bad experiences and them out to

973
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:21.239
my clients and say, yes, it probably won't happen, but

974
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:22.320
here's all these twenties you.

975
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.760
Do those few things, right, yeah, but.

976
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:28.559
Yeah, So buying and selling a business again, some people think, no,

977
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.400
it's no big deal. It's it's it's we were friends.

978
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:34.480
I am selling it to my friend or I'm selling

979
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.599
it to my kid. It's going to be great, no problem.

980
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:38.800
And again I said, look, I I'm.

981
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:39.159
Sure it is it.

982
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.119
But if you you're gotta make sure the money because

983
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:43.920
it's always no, no, no, I said, you were going

984
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.280
to get pay me this and this much and this percentage,

985
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.239
and like, no, no, no, that's not the agreement. It's not

986
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:51.679
in writing. Then it's then it's then it's up to

987
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:53.599
the jury to decide. So do you want to go

988
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:54.800
to a jury. Do you want to put it in

989
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:58.360
writing when you know it's in These aren't complex?

990
00:44:58.400 --> 00:44:59.559
I mean they're not, they're not.

991
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:03.360
You know I have one right now where yes, the

992
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:05.760
firm on the other side is getting paid by the

993
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:06.840
word and it is.

994
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:09.599
Trying to put as many words into the agreement as possible.

995
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:11.320
And my client says, I don't want to stand half

996
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:12.800
of this, and I said, you don't have to. It's

997
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.400
just legally stuff. But here's the main point.

998
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.239
I go through and I look at the main points,

999
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.199
like again, where's the money going when you get the money?

1000
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:23.079
What is your responsibilities? What you know? It's a firm,

1001
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:25.159
a buyer and seller. They're different standpoints.

1002
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:26.719
You know, from a seller, you want to make sure

1003
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:28.639
once you sell that company, that's it. You don't have

1004
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:32.800
any more responsibility. And if something happens afterwards, you want indemnification.

1005
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.320
You want to make sure that if you get that

1006
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.400
company gets sued six months from.

1007
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:38.679
Now, you're not getting dragged into it.

1008
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:40.960
And from the buyer you don't want you don't want

1009
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.880
to get stuck with any of the issues. From the

1010
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:46.599
prior owner, you want to make sure that you come

1011
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:48.679
with a clean slate. You get the assets you're supposed

1012
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:50.960
to get. You get them free and clear. You know,

1013
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:52.960
there's nothing worse than you're trying to do a closing

1014
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.000
and oh, we can't transfer this truck because there's a

1015
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:56.480
loan on it.

1016
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:58.440
I said, what we discussed this? You said there was

1017
00:45:58.440 --> 00:45:58.880
no loan.

1018
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.679
Oh yeah there is, Oh that truck. That's right. So

1019
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.039
this is the collection of things you refer to as

1020
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.920
risk assessment, risk management. Really right, Doing the work up

1021
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.480
front so if the worst happens, were prepared.

1022
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:14.960
My litigation background has helped me because I look at

1023
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:16.920
I've seen how litigation works.

1024
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:20.320
I've seen the trials and tribulations and just it's ugly.

1025
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:21.480
No one wants to do litigation.

1026
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:25.119
So I tell my clients, if we do things correctly upfront,

1027
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:29.199
you avoid the litigation, You save money on me, you're

1028
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:30.199
not spending tens of.

1029
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.400
Thousands of dollars on me, and then you sleep better

1030
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:32.639
at night.

1031
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:36.639
You don't have to worry about it because you know, Kevin,

1032
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.079
I think I told you the other day I got

1033
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:39.920
a trial date of twenty twenty six in one of

1034
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:41.039
my litigation cases.

1035
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.360
Yeah, like, what how does that work? Yeah?

1036
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:46.599
He's like, I think I'm free that day, He's like,

1037
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:48.000
how do I know what I'm doing two years from now?

1038
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:49.599
I said, well, well, I.

1039
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:50.920
Said, put it in your calendar now and then you

1040
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.679
won't have anything. So it's it's yes, the risk management,

1041
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:57.880
risk assessment. I look at things, you know, I see

1042
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.639
I see a company with employees, a good amount of employees.

1043
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.079
I tell them, look, you need to get an HR

1044
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:08.159
outsourced person because you need employees. Will be your pain point.

1045
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.840
You mess up once, you're gonna pay for it. Get

1046
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.760
a good handbook. You know, if you have to reprimand

1047
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:15.800
somebody or hire and fire them, then you're gonna do

1048
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:16.760
everything by the book.

1049
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.039
Make sure you shout out to Patty Lyons. She will

1050
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:20.559
be a guest on August twenty six.

1051
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.599
That's what I refer to because she does the right thing.

1052
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:28.079
And make sure that that pain point is resolved.

1053
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:32.159
And I have three questions left for you. You can

1054
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:34.639
be general or specific in your professional life. What are

1055
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:35.480
you most proud of?

1056
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.320
Honestly being a solo practitioner for six and a half

1057
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.920
years and running a successful, successful business, and not only

1058
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:48.840
that more and so is just making my clients businesses

1059
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:49.920
run more smoothly.

1060
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:53.880
As you said they can sleep at night. That's a

1061
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:56.480
that's a real thing, all right. Second, how did you

1062
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:57.519
get into Spartan races?

1063
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.519
Years ago? I got an email from Mount Snow.

1064
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.079
I used to ski up there, and it was this

1065
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:08.400
thing called Tough Mutter, which is similar to Spartan, and

1066
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:09.400
they said, we're doing this thing.

1067
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:11.800
I said, I told my wife and said, this sounds amazing.

1068
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:13.800
That's sound. It sounds like fun. Let's go up there

1069
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:19.280
playing the mud and crawling stuff. And it was a blast,

1070
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.360
running up and down the mountain, jumping through stuff.

1071
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.280
It was just it was a blast. But unfortunately it

1072
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:26.360
was cold.

1073
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.760
And my wife doesn't like cold water. So she says, yep,

1074
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.679
that's it. I'm never doing this again. And twelve years later,

1075
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:32.480
I'm still doing them.

1076
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:35.199
And she's your she's your crew, as you said, my crew.

1077
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.639
She sits and watches me and I don't know how

1078
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.159
she doesn't just laugh at me just covered in mud

1079
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.320
or you know, it's but she's she's supportive and she's there.

1080
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:44.320
She's like, let's go and.

1081
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.239
Okay, that's awesome, all right. Last one, who in the

1082
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:50.239
listening and viewing audiences should reach out to you?

1083
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:54.719
And why it's any business owner with about fifty employees

1084
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.880
or less. It doesn't matter what field you're in, it

1085
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.280
doesn't matter what kind of work you do. If you

1086
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.360
don't have a part time general counsel, any legal counsel

1087
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.320
that you reach out on a regular basis, you should

1088
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:07.599
have me.

1089
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:08.119
I say.

1090
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:10.159
It's it's you know, it's you should have a bookkeeper

1091
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:13.880
and accountant, you know, an attorney. You know, we're the

1092
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:16.000
people that are going to keep you out of trouble.

1093
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.400
And again, it's you. The great thing about me is

1094
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.559
you don't need me every day. You need me whenever

1095
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.599
you need me. And some clients I talk to once

1096
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.280
a year and those are I'm happy for those clients

1097
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:29.360
because that means their issues are really tiny and they come.

1098
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:31.679
It's those clients that I deal with on a monthly

1099
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:32.719
basis that I have to say, all.

1100
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:34.840
Right, maybe we need to do some different things.

1101
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:38.119
But yeah, it's it's I'm there as your resources whenever

1102
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.320
you need me, as much as you need me.

1103
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:43.280
And lastly, what's the best way for people to connect

1104
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:43.440
with you?

1105
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:44.559
Uh?

1106
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:48.679
Either email or phone? Either one either call or email.

1107
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:50.400
I'll get back to you within a day or so.

1108
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.440
I'm okay. We put the information along there what's the website.

1109
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:55.719
Bombard is right there. There's the phone.

1110
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:58.760
If you punch in Bombard a lot any search engine

1111
00:49:58.800 --> 00:49:59.800
you I'll pop right up.

1112
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.079
It's it's pretty unique. Beautiful.

1113
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:05.639
Jay Bombard at Bombard Law Bombard Law dot com. Jeremy,

1114
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.760
this is great. Thank you so much. I appreciate you

1115
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:09.079
taking the time anytime.

1116
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:11.360
Kevin, I loved it. This is great. Thank you so much.

1117
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:14.280
You're more than welcome and thanks everybody for watching, watching

1118
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:18.039
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1119
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:20.679
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1120
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.119
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1121
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.559
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1122
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:29.679
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1123
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:36.960
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00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:41.559
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1125
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:45.639
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1126
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.599
we're not right for everybody, but maybe we should chat.

1127
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Stay with us Next week August twelfth, at four pm Eastern.

1128
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.239
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1129
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:00.599
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1130
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1131
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1132
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.639
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